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8GB of Flash storage rumoured for Project Café

No Blu-ray drive, but instead 25GB propriety disc format says latest speculation

New rumours regarding Nintendo's successor to the Wii, codenamed Project Café, suggest it has 8GB of Flash memory storage rather than a hard drive.

Unnamed sources speaking to Kotaku suggest that the new console will also be able to save to SD cards, similar to the Wii, DSi and 3DS.

The same report claims that Nintendo will be using a propriety disc format able to hold 25GB of data. Previously the console was rumoured to feature a standard Blu-ray drive, but as with all the technical details of the machine Nintendo has yet to make any official announcement.

Most rumours do agree that that the new console will be at least as powerful as the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, although the Kotaku report suggests that Nintendo has not decided whether to cap the console's resolution at 1080i or 1080p.

The only details Nintendo has confirmed is that the company will release a new home console in 2012 and that a "playable model" will be shown at E3 in June.

Speculation suggests that the console includes a 6 inch touchscreen controller, although the specifics of the concept vary considerably between sources.

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Latest comments (21)

Daniel Hughes Studying PhD Literary Modernism, Bangor University8 years ago
If Nintendo really are serious about working with third parties and providing a robust online experience, there'll be a hard drive. I doubt third parties will want to miss out on the option to patch their games after launch or much more importantly, miss out on being able to provide demos and the additional revenue stream of downloadable content. Add to that the need for them to build on what they've done with WiiWare and Virtual Console, and 8GB simply isn't enough. Of course, they could be releasing a more expensive version with a hard drive on, with the 8GB flash model as the more basic option.

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Private Industry 8 years ago
Having only 8gb of flash would be a big mistake if they try to match XBL or PSN they won't get far with that limited space.
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Andrew Goodchild Studying development, Train2Game8 years ago
It really wouldn't surprise me but it would be a mistake. Presumably they are looking to get 5 or 6 years from the hardware. Digital distribution is gaining ground, and whilst it can't be said with all certainty that it will be on a level or surpass retail for major titles in 5 years, it is a distinct possibility, so releasing a machine with so little storage seems crazy. Unless they make plans to allow external hard drives.
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John Donnelly Quality Assurance 8 years ago
User expandable memory with SD cards is not a bad idea. It means the user can pick up a Wii 2 and then expand on the space it has if they choose.

It also means those looking to get the extra content can.
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Kingman Cheng Illustrator and Animator 8 years ago
Whilst it's kind of good I can't see 8GB taking them far enough...
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Rick Lopez Illustrator, Graphic Designer 8 years ago
I always disliked hard drives, strapping content I buy to one consoles. I cant take it or transport it anyware, this includes game saves and settings. So if nintendo can allow you to store games, saves and downloadable content on external media then this is a huge plus and Im all for it.

Im not to keen on having a screen on my controller as I want to see the action on the TV, not the controller. So thats pretty lame.

Proprietary disc format is a smart move. Doesnt stop piracy, but makes it harder.

Nintendo seems to be pulling the right stings. They had lost me with the Wii and motion controls. i simply was not interested in motion controls.
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Andrew Goodchild Studying development, Train2Game8 years ago
@rick. Dlc and games aren't tied to one console on the 360, as long as the other console is conected to xbox live to varify. You can store your stuff on the hdd and either copy it onto a usb stick, memory card or redownload it on another xbox (presuming you don't just want to cart round the HDD). However, with the wii, if you save content on an sd card, you still can't use it on another wii. The decision on whether to lock to a console seems to have nothing to do with whether you save on a HDD.
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robert troughton Managing Director, Coconut Lizard8 years ago
8gb sounds believable ... how many people have bought digital cameras, even expensive ones, only to find that the provided storage media only has space to store 20 photos?
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Tim Wright Managing Director, Tantrumedia Limited8 years ago
Maybe it ONLY has an SD Slot for game and data storage and ships with an 8Gb card?
In which case you could simply purchase additional cards... 32Gb cards are only £20-£30.
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Richard Westmoreland Senior Game Designer, Codemasters Birmingham8 years ago
It's believable but as other people have said, it's simply not enough. Digital Distribution, Patches and DLC will all require much more space than this provides. I also don't wish to keep a stack of SD Cards next to my console, optical media is annoying enough.
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David Bachowski VP Business Development, Babaroga8 years ago
@Rick - just because a console uses a touchscreen controller does not mean that you need to actually look at the controller. We have plenty of buttons on our gamepads right now that say A, B, X, Y, etc. yet we don't look at them to confirm what we are pressing, nor do you look at your trackpad on a laptop...

Edit: That being said, it would surprise me if Nintendo released a controller with just a trackpad on it. Seems pret-ty lame :)

Edited 1 times. Last edit by David Bachowski on 4th May 2011 4:31pm

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Reilly Smith Studying Film and Video Studies, University of Oklahoma8 years ago
Purchasing additional storage is a stupid move, mainstream consumers (myself included) consider it a hassle for us to be responsible for augmenting our console experience because it's inherently subpar. Nintendo could easily include 100Gb storage at a profit. My one beef with Nintendo over the years is that they place too much responsibility on the consumer for things such as this which have nothing to do with the actual console experience and simply are a distraction from engagement.
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Private Industry 8 years ago
SD cards are not expensive but who really wants to get 5 of them? As somebody mentioned patches and DLC alone takes already a good amount of space for HD games and put on top of that download games and you dont want to have anything below a 100gb. Unless you want to force people to buy overpriced Nintendo approved storage a la 360 HDD or just annoy people.

As for the controller that sounds exactly of what i was saying a while ago i want the NGP connectivity to be, so that could be nice.
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Richard Alpagot8 years ago
I also hope they opt for Blu-ray and an optical out for sound. It's about time they jumped on board with the whole media device thing and stopped making it such a niche device.
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Graham McIntyre Software Engineer, Games Warehouse8 years ago
The thing about including storage, is that the space will double (cost wise) within a year or so, so either include a lot and up the cost or simply don't bother! I can see why they chose the later; would you want to pay more for the console? You will upgrade it anyway.

As far as the media is concerned a custom format seems a good move to limit piracy I agree, albeit at the cost of not having Blurray support, but there is an argument against trying to make it a movie player as well as a console (yes a fair number of people will disagree) but personally i don't care about it being able to play films.
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Andrew Goodchild Studying development, Train2Game8 years ago
Including blueray means paying a licence to Sony and their blueray partners for every disc sold until the end of next decade (I believe about 13 years after the release of the format?). And just as lack of DVD movie playback hasn't hurt the Wii, anyone who is desperate for Blueray probably has a player or a PS3.
Wii was hardly a "niche" product with or without convergence.
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Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.8 years ago
Too many of these specs and figures are out of context. We don't know if the 8 GB flash storage is internal (like Wii's 512 MB) or an included DS card (like the 3DS's 2 GB card). We don't know if cloud type storage will be offered or not, or if a HDD/SDD will be included or not or accessible via external enclosures and USB.

Capping the resolution at 1080i wouldn't make any sense.
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Private Industry 8 years ago
Well graham if i buy a console i want the full package and not a "build it yourself" kit besides whats the price of a decent 100gb hdd? And yes I want my consoles to do other things instead of me having change to a different device. Obviously I'm not the mainstream nintendo user.
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Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.8 years ago
Werner, the economies of scale for HDD's mean that an 100 GB HDD would cost more to include than a 250 GB HDD.

3.5":
80 GB (closest size to 100 GB on Newegg) - $39.99
250 GB - $36.99

2.5":
100 GB - $129.99
250 GB - $44.99

This is actually why both Sony and MS have been releasing consoles with larger HDD's...because it's cheaper.
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Private Industry 8 years ago
The 100gb where just a random number because it's a nice round number :)
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Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.8 years ago
Figured it was. But it gave me a good excuse to throw out that bit of info on the current cost of HDD's and increasing HDD capacity of Sony and MS's consoles. In fact, for $38.99 you can go as high as 500 GB on the 3.5" HDD's. 500 is cheaper than 80. It's even more crazy for 2.5" HDD's. A 1 TB 2.5" HDD costs less than the 100 GB HDD.

So IF a HDD were to be included, you can be certain it would be a sizable one unless Nintendo would rather pay more for less and we're all pretty aware that Nintendo likes to stretch their money as far as it can go.
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