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"I don't want it to be like, 'Oh, here come the Christians, it's going to suck again.'"

Mikee Bridges of GameChurch: What Would Jesus Play?

Mikee Bridges is a missionary and he wants gamers to know that Jesus loves them. That's pretty much the extent of it, but he also knows that most people have already stopped listening.

"It's hard," he admits. "There's three basic reactions. Actually, there's a lot more of them than that, but the three main reactions are: the staunch atheist, kill Christians type, the staunch right-wing, American Christian, conservative guy and people who are cool, surprised that they got a message of, 'Hey, Jesus loves you,' without anything else."

Mikee isn't standing on street corners or knocking on doors. He's part of a Christian outreach program called GameChurch, which takes a notably low-pressure approach to its work. Largely, he and his colleagues spend their time at a booth on the show floor of events like PAX and EGX, handing out flyers, pamphlets and free stuff to gamers. He's not chasing them with prophecies of doom, not condemning their habits. He's not looking for people to sign up to anything, anyone to proselytise or evangelise at. He's not telling people that games are evil, corrupting or wrong - he's telling them that games are good, Jesus loves you and, actually, those things are entirely reconcilable.

"There's nothing attached to it," he says, almost with an audible shrug. "We're not forcing anything on anybody. We won't approach you, you don't have to approach us. The message is real simple, real clear, three words, Jesus loves you, and we have a bunch of free crap to give you. Take it or leave it, it's free crap."

"The atheist and the Conservative, they're the same person. They want blood. They want to argue with you"

Gamers, he says, are generally the least of his problems.

"The atheist and the Conservative, they're the same person. They want blood. They want to argue with you. They want to argue whatever, theologically on one side, and whatever atheist stuff on the other side. The atheists walk up and go, 'What do you think about homosexuality? What do you think about abortion?' All the hot button items. The Christians do the same thing, it's really great. We don't usually give them the time of day because they just want to fight in a dramatic thing. We're not into that. It's real simple. I'm a Mexican food restaurant. If you don't want Mexican food, don't eat there. This is what I've got, if you don't like it, I'm sorry, I don't have Italian food here, go somewhere else. I don't have any. I don't have the time, because there's five people behind you that I would like to give free stuff to.

"My first Christian walks by the booth really briskly. He comes back three seconds later, puts his finger in my face and he goes, 'I hate what you're doing.' Then he walks away. And then he comes back and he goes, 'I'm a Christian."

"The first couple of hits, we were like... the first time a guy walked up to me in Seattle, he was an atheist guy, and he just didn't give a damn. He came out six guns blazing. Just, 'What do you guys think about homosexuality and homosexuals and all that? What's your stance on that?' Back then I was trying to answer all that stuff personally. He's just hacking and slashing and all that stuff. I'm like, 'Look, man, you gotta go. You just want to kill someone. Okay, you killed them, you win. Now go away.' You know? Bullying.

"Christians do that, too. My first Christian guy, that I will never forget, walks by the booth really briskly. He's hauling ass somewhere. He goes walking by shaking his head. He comes back like, no joke, three seconds later, puts his finger in my face and he goes, 'I hate what you're doing.' Then he walks away. And then he comes back and he goes, 'I'm a Christian.'

"'What are you guys doing?' That's the whole of Christianity, when it comes to negative stuff with us. You don't understand what we're doing, first of all. You're just reacting to it. React, go ahead. I'm not codependent so go ahead. Have a fit if you want to."

The range of 'Swag' is pretty extensive, from stickers and pins to posters and t-shirts.

The range of 'Swag' is pretty extensive, from stickers and pins to posters and t-shirts.

Bridges doesn't spend all of his time on the showfloors. Alongside the 'free crap' programme, GameChurch also runs discussion groups, a Twitter account, a Facebook page and a genuinely well-written website of games coverage (mailing list motto: "It's not spam if it's from Jesus!). If I'm honest, I struggle to conceal my surprise at how good the site is: as a sceptic and an atheist I just don't expect much from religious organisations. I apologise to Bridges for my preconceptions and he shows the same benevolence he did when I made a terrible pun about stigma earlier in our conversation. He also reassures me that he's used to the cynical reaction.

"When we first started it, the website was sort of a sideline. We'd go to the shows and do that. Then, we like to be really funny, whether or not people understand us being funny. We just started dicking around with video gear and just started making stupid videos. Some people watched and all that, but long story, we met these guys that are journalists and they got really involved with Gamechurch.

"A lot of Christians will come up to me and go, 'You know, Jesus wasn't harsh.' Yes he was, yes he was. He was very harsh sometimes"

"As they were doing that we kind of just morphed into one. They started being the editor and managing editor of the website. They're fantastic writers. We're actually very well known in the journalism and independent game developer's network. Our guys that are writing about whatever's out there, whatever they're writing about this week, or blogging in the podcast, all of those things are gaining traction in a regular world because Christians just suck at doing things great.

"It's very few and far between you'll find somebody doing something great. We wanted to do something great. I don't want it to be like, 'Oh, here comes the Christians, it's going to suck again.' I agree with you, most of the time it sucks, it's terrible."

I've firsthand experience of exactly this kind of cringeworthy attempt at youthcool. I'm an atheist now, but I'm also what I guess you'd call a lapsed Christian. I grew up in a tiny English village where the Church was a massive focal point and as a child I was largely surrounded by a generation to whom the Church, both the institution and the building itself, had served as community centre, social network, council and counsel. I was raised Christian, baptised, confirmed and, for a time, a weekly churchgoing choirboy. (Pictures exist, but dignity is already such a thin and fading memory.) I've endured Christian rock, witnessed the outreach programs and the misjudged attempts to infiltrate the world of carefree quiescence with the rigours and expectations of religion. Frankly, you don't need many vicars singing reggae to make you cynical.

"I don't think we're your typical emotional Christians," Bridges laughs. "A lot of Christians will come up to me and go, 'You know, Jesus wasn't harsh.' Yes he was, yes he was. He was very harsh sometimes. They're like, 'This isn't filled with passion and grace and all that.' You know what? You're right, it's not and neither am I. Sometimes I am and sometimes I'm not."

"The bible is super violent! Holy crap. Holy crap. No video game that you and I have ever played can match how violent the bible is"

There's a pretty big issue that I've danced around so far, whether because of Mikee's laconic charm or my vestigial C of E reserve, but I bring it up now. Games, on the whole, really don't tend to be particularly Christian. Sure, you have the occasional, usually dire attempt at an overtly Christian game, like Bibleman Video Game Adventures, but Bridges is explicitly clear that these are not the sort of games he'd expect anyone to be playing, nor the sort of games that he's playing himself. Still, though, isn't there something of a disconnect between the teachings of Christ and teabagging the remains of a teenager who's just been energetically redistributed with an RPG?

Not for Bridges.

"One, is the bible is super violent," he vents, with genuine but well-practiced impatience. "Holy crap. Holy crap. No video game that you and I have ever played can match how violent the bible is. It's gnarly. There's so much going on. I mean crazy, crazy, crazy stuff. And, okay, the second one is, I really think that if Christ were here and you wanted to play a game with him, I don't care what game it is, he would play it with you. Because he would just want to be around you.

Heavily tattooed, 6 foot 6 and 250lbs, Bridges is not your average missionary.

Heavily tattooed, 6 foot 6 and 250lbs, Bridges is not your average missionary.

"My bigger thing for people is, what can you handle. If you have a problem looking at women and if you're objectifying them and you have a mind problem with that, then don't play games that go that route. If you really feel convicted about violence in video games, and it's just not good for you and you don't need to see that, then don't play it. Parents, don't let your kids play those games. It's good parenting. It's self-control. Then move on. Yes, I can play GTA5 and have no problem with it at all. It doesn't bother me. Whereas, the next guy, it's going to bother. Okay, cool. It bothers you? Don't play it, period.

"If you want to question why it bothers you, do. Does it bother you because you've been told that this is good and this is bad, or does it bother you because you have a conviction inside of you and you really need to not look at that? I respect the second. Honestly, I think people put too many things into God's area. Like, 'You know, he wouldn't want me playing this game.' I can see him up there going, 'I didn't say that.'"

The other side of the coin, then. If games are an effective method of reaching people, of establishing common interest and sharing views, is there a potential for the games themselves to do the Lord's work?

"Unfortunately it's kind of like the movie industry. What we need to do is have Christians stop making movies, period"

"I wish," Bridges exhales. "Unfortunately it's kind of like the movie industry. What we need to do is have Christians stop making movies, period. No Christians should be allowed to touch a movie anymore. Unfortunately I don't think it's going to happen because Christians really think that they're doing something great. They think that they're doing something great in movies and in video games because they're insulated. Because of their insulation, they can't see the outside world, so they actually don't get out into it. They trip up on a few bible verses about not being a part of this world, but being in it.

"I think they trip themselves up to think that they need to really segregate themselves from everything that is, quote unquote, worldly. By doing that you're not seeing the other side. You're not seeing a whole bunch of things that you need to see in order to make something that's awesome. I can't give you an experience unless I've experienced [it] and I can't experience [it] unless I get rid of everything and go experience something. You know what I mean?

"I don't need my American Christianity to filter out a whole bunch of what life is, unfortunately or fortunately. Movies, anything that's going on, we're seeing Christians grab a hold of something, all the Christians in the church go, 'Rah, rah, rah. Let's go back this and make this perfect, make it great.' They go back it and then you get a piece of crap movie that a whole bunch of churches are going to go see so it looks like it's doing well, when really it's not. It's just you're rallying all the Christians together.

"It's really lame. They get a kind of a shot in the arm to go do it again. That's why Kirk Cameron's still an actor. You know what I mean?

"Unfortunately that's, I think, where we're at, even with video games. However, there are little lights here and there. That Dragon, Cancer speaks of faith. It is a great story and it's a true life story and they're wonderful people. They're not that sappy, Christian-y Christian that's trying to force anything on anybody. It's a great story. It'll bring you to tears, period. I like that. That authentic, 'Here's my story, you can listen to it or not. I don't care, but it's my story. It's coming from my perspective. Here's what I know, check this out. Come live part of my life with me.' I love that."

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nik blower pr, marketing & franchise director, Nordic Games GmbH7 years ago
Very interesting article, which I struggled to find the point of. Will have a sleep and read it again.
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Chris Payne Managing Director & Founder, Quantum Soup Studios7 years ago
Interesting that they seem more focused on prosletyzing the merits of games to hardline Christians than prosletyzing the merits of Christianity to gamers :)
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Axel Cushing Freelance Writer 7 years ago
@Chris
Because gamers already know the merits of games. :)

They do have a very nice site, and seeing them around at E3, they seem very chill. May have to invite Mr. Bridges out for a beer and a pleasant conversation if I see him around E3 next year. He seems to have a much healthier attitude than the folks picketing the convention center during the show.
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Alex Lemco Writer 7 years ago
I'm grateful for any positivity in the gamer world, regardless of where it comes from. We need more of this. Perhaps religion is an appropriate angle, given that gaming has splintered culturally into zealous fan camps.
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Jeff Kleist Writer, Marketing, Licensing 7 years ago
I think you guys, especially in Europe may find this in interesting. It's a lecture by a former Christian radio broadcaster on how Christianity has been successful in part because they co-op whatever popular culture is, and try to make their own version, or step in between the consumer and any potential "new gods", even 2000 years ago. This guy seems to realize that after thirty+ years of making terrible games, that since his goal is to get their wallets, he's trying an infiltration strategy rather than a full replacement.

http://youtu.be/KNik8niSrrY

He's totally wrong though, about we atheists who like to play with people like him. We know exactly what they think about homosexuality and whatnot. Atheists are often quite the biblical scholar as a matter of self defense. It's typically the Christian who doesn't, and employs amazing mental gymnastics to get ahold inconvenient passages :) one of my favorites was the guy who got one of the infamous Phelps family into almost convulsive fits because she didn't kniw unicorns and other mythological creatures were in the bible :)
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Brian Smith Artist 7 years ago
Personally don't see any harm in promoting a fictional figure within an industry full of them. Seems apt.
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He's totally wrong though, about we atheists who like to play with people like him. We know exactly what they think about homosexuality and whatnot.
Actually, I think that's exactly what he meant. Atheists who have read the Bible and think all Christians must take it word-for-word literally, just so they can go confront Christians to try and score some sort of logic-points are just as tedious as Christians who go shouting at atheists for being amoral anarchists and the like. Possibly even more so, in my experience.

I don't much care for religious proselytising, but at least this GameChurch lot seem willing to live and let live.
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Marty Howe Director, Figurehead Studios7 years ago
Jeff K., close your eyes and think about how big the universe is. Where does it end? Whats out there? Then think about how small we are, in comparison.

Why is the universe so incomprehensibly vast, yet our lives are so meaningless. We're born, we go to school, work, pay taxes. Then die.

What is the point? Think about it Jeff, seriously. Why are we here? If you have everything (money, women, anything you can imagine) when you die, it will all turn to dust and be forgotten. As will you. It's all so meaningless, having a big plasma tv, or a cool game collection, is that the point of life?

My point is, humans beings were created, for something 'beyond' our earthly, finite lives. There has to be more to life, a purpose. Do you really think you evolved from fish, or amoeba or whatever. You have the capacity to love (which is infinite, when you and your partner die, your love lives on. for eternity) you have talents, interests, hobbies, music, sport, games, movies, art, books, you have your own unique personality. Those traits cannot come from 1 amoeba, joining another, and then 2 legs form, and a creature can walk upright, and over thousands of years we evolve into humans.lol.

Every year, you celebrate Jesus Christ's birthday. Since you were born. And you'll celebrate his birthday, every year, until the day you die. Why? Because its kOoL getting free stuff? (presents)

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Jeff Kleist Writer, Marketing, Licensing 7 years ago
@Jesica

Faith is by definition on belief without evidence. My point is that he misrepresents us like we don't know these things. People like him are typically immune to anything you do, because they're so mentally twisted like a pretzel to make what they want to believe jive with what's in the handbook that you can't penetrate the Gordian Knot, as his comment demonstrates, parsing it as an exploratory, rather than an assault. It's so much easier to go play with the people outside of Comic-Con, you can tell when you're getting through when they start calling you a child molestor over their megaphone :)

I used the Phelps example specifically because they proudly proclaim that they DO believe it word for word, they just got humiliated by being trapped into proving they hadn't read all the words :)

If you want to discuss it beyond this, I'd being happy to do so via private email, as I don't think I this is quite the venue for the kind of debate these conversations usually turn into :) first initial, last name at gmail. Anyone else is welcome as well.
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Nick McCrea Gentleman, Pocket Starship7 years ago
Gamer Jesus is now my second favourite Jesus, after Buddy Christ.
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Joseph Harvey Department head, Firelight Technologies7 years ago
Christians and atheists are similar in that there's a lot of variation between them. Sure, some people are convinced that they've found the One True Interpretation of the universe; Others aren't so sure, and will admit their beliefs can't be proven while still holding fast to them, or are only sure of some of their beliefs and admit that they don't have a monopoly on Truth. Some are aggressively evangelical, believing that being "right" gives them the right to push their beliefs even in the face of objection; Others are happy keeping their beliefs to themselves until they come up in conversation.

As Mikee Bridges says, there's people on both sides who're out for blood and just want to get into fights. Because those people are very vocal (and in some cases shout through megaphones), it's easy to think of them as being representative of everyone in their respective camps - but that's never been the case. Claiming everyone on the other side of the line has exactly the same inflexible mindset is denying the very possibility that people can think for themselves, and comes close to suggesting that a true diversity of beliefs is impossible.

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Dewald Bodenstein Founder & Developer, Quasistellar Game Development7 years ago
The reason why they are different is because they are not religious Christians. As stated on their website, it's all about a relationship.

If you are loved and accepted by God, no matter who you are or what you've done, then you will do the same to others.
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Brook Davidson Artist / 3D design 7 years ago
@Marty Howe

What you just did there is one thing I hate about some religious people. Why is it not possible to simply not try and prove your point of view to another person? You can try to reason all you wish, but that is your belief and your reasoning has absolutely no proof at all, so there is no point to try and make claims such as humans where created, and life has some greater purpose.

It irritates me especially since evolution is already a scientific theory. It's crazy that some people in this day and age still don't trust science -.-

Sure science isn't always 100% accurate, as there is no such thing in terms of science. Nothing is absolute. However, science has served us well in the past and has continued to do so. There is tons of evidence that supports evolution. So why is it some people simply ignore that evidence?

On topic ... I don't really understand the point of the article, but it was a nice read. It's rare to come across religious folk who don't try to cram their views down another persons throat XD.

The one thing I do have to point out though. The reason many atheists argue and bring this stuff up is because a lot of non religious folk are oppressed and not treated as equals. In many cases you can instantly look like a bad person to many people simple because you don't believe in a god. Religion has crammed itself into politics and causes people grief all the time. So some atheists feel all religious people are part of the problem.

That is what the religion teaches. That is what the book says. Obviously not all religious folk follow their books word for word, but many do and that is a major issue. Until religion stops interfering with other peoples lives who don't follow it. It will always cause problems. Atheists are not the ones usually oppressing other people due to beliefs. Just saying.
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Marty Howe Director, Figurehead Studios7 years ago
Hi Brook, sorry I should have said "It is my belief, that...." etc etc

I'm only asking you to think about it. Form your own view. There's no proof that God 'does' exist (except the Bible, if its real?) and there's also no proof, that God 'doesn't' exist. So, the argument will go on forever. The only way, we will know the answer, the ONLY way, is when we are dead. Right?
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James Robertson Founder, Oso Games7 years ago
"Religion has crammed itself into politics..."

That's not entirely accurate. Organised Religion was government - the manipulation of people's beliefs manifest in a way to control the masses. You only have to look back at ancient Egypt, or Sumer where the ruling classes were worshipped as Gods. The mantra of the day was believe or die - for some people, sadly, that's still true today. I think it's fairer to say that despite Organised Religion's attempts to retain control, it is slowly being eradicated from that aspect of our lives.

@Marty Howe

It has been proven that belief in general is a positive, healthy thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be in a higher power but that's what most people feel most comfortable with - it could be diamond encrusted, crocodile jam sandwiches if that's your thing. As far as your mental and physical health is concerned though, It's all the same. :) Still, I always try very hard to not argue against someone's genuine beliefs.

That said, I will vehemently argue against the hypocrisy, lies, and propaganda of Organised Religion as long as I have breath in my body. To continually attempt to control people's lives, restrict their capacity for individual thought, and insist that followers ignore and/or attempt to debase scientific evidence simply because it doesn't fit into scripture damages the growth and advancement of our society and species as a whole in countless ways.
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Doug McFarlane Co-Owner, KodeSource7 years ago
I love this discussion! And I love how most people are convinced we only have two options: God exists, and he created us, or God doesn't exist, and therefore Darwin / evolution is the correct explanation of how we came into existence. There are so many other ideas but we are programmed to only accept things as either black or white. I don't agree with religion, and believe it was created as a means to control humanity. God (and / or Jesus) doesn't have to exist for me to believe in life before birth. Circumstantial evidence is still evidence.

We have to allow ourselves not to fixate on one answer, because we'll continually dismiss any new information that comes along that doesn't support our beliefs. Take it all in. Open your mind. I don't believe the correct 'answer' has been presented yet by anyone. And most of man has stopped searching for alternatives.

Oh, and Darwin's explanation has been proven false, by using science. Sure, we adapt to our environment, but there are periods of advancement in our history that defy Darwin's 'theory'. DNA, for example, could not have 'evolved' into what it is today, you had to get it right the first time (billions of combinations). There was no possibility of small changes to arrive were it is.

But I'm open to new knowledge - I change my beliefs daily.

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Oh, and Darwin's explanation has been proven false, by using science. Sure, we adapt to our environment, but there are periods of advancement in our history that defy Darwin's 'theory'. DNA, for example, could not have 'evolved' into what it is today, you had to get it right the first time (billions of combinations). There was no possibility of small changes to arrive were it is.
I'm pretty curious about this claim that natural selection has been 'disproven by science'. The evolution of DNA from RNA and beyond is a fairly popular topic with plenty of research and different theories as to how it came about.
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Tom Keresztes Programmer 7 years ago
This is going to end up in a worse flamewar than #gamergate.
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Tom Keresztes Programmer 7 years ago
Actually, I think that's exactly what he meant. Atheists who have read the Bible and think all Christians must take it word-for-word literally, just so they can go confront Christians to try and score some sort of logic-points are just as tedious as Christians who go shouting at atheists for being amoral anarchists and the like. Possibly even more so, in my experience.
Matthew 7.5:
"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Some Christians should remember the Bible, not just read it.
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James Berg Games User Researcher 7 years ago
Thanks to folks for keeping this friendly and constructive, let's keep it that way :)

I've got a cousin that's a Christian pastor (i think that's therm), working with teenagers, and he's also a hardcore gamer. He plays almost all the same stuff I do, and he games with the kids he teaches. Reminds me a lot of Mikee Bridges - religion is just part of his life, but it's not the overriding second-to-second arbiter of all things, and he accepts the whole "live and let live" and "turn the other cheek" stuff that sometimes gets missed.

Athiest here, and I'd happily game with a dude like Mikee - sounds like he'd have some cool perspectives on religion that I might find interesting and valuable.
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@Tom
Personally, I'm of the opinion that what someone does or doesn't do with their holy book of choice(whether it's your Bible, the Qur'an or The God Delusion) is entirely their own business. Whether or not they behave like a jerk, that's the part that concerns me. Luckily, GameChurch don't seem to be the jerk-behaving type of Christians.
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Jeff Kleist Writer, Marketing, Licensing 7 years ago
@Tom I prefer Matthew6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

@Marty Given hat according to your handbook,,thecharacter Jesus was born in theSpring, and that he holiday was moved to convert cultures that had winter solstice celebrations. The winter solstice is the actual reason for the season. Saturnalia being an excellent example.

If you wish to debate this further, I'm happy to takeit to private email
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Tom Keresztes Programmer 7 years ago
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Marty Howe Director, Figurehead Studios7 years ago
If you wish to debate this further, I'm happy to take it to private email

of course I dont want to debate this further, lol I'm busy, do you have time to waste? What did I say in my earlier post? Is anyone paying attention? I said the argument will go on forever (I don't have time to argue endlessly) and the only way we can know the answer is when we die. Discussion over. I'm out. Argue among yourselves (how tedious and pointless, considering the ONLY way to get the answer is when your dead) That's 2 times I've said it now. Too exhausted to say it 3 times.

Jeff,. you're trying to be a smartass by saying its my handbook, and Jesus is a character. [Moderator edit: Removed. Can we not make violent threats against other users? Thank you!]

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Brook Davidson Artist / 3D design 7 years ago
@Doug McFarlane
Oh, and Darwin's explanation has been proven false, by using science. Sure, we adapt to our environment, but there are periods of advancement in our history that defy Darwin's 'theory'. DNA, for example, could not have 'evolved' into what it is today, you had to get it right the first time (billions of combinations). There was no possibility of small changes to arrive were it is.
I am not really sure where you get your sources, but evolution is a scientific theory. That means most evidence that has risen confirms it. In fact the evidence is overwhelming. Other wise it would still be a hypothesis. Oh and by the way ...Evolution and Darwinism does not explain where life originated. No one knows where it originated or how.
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Darren Adams Managing Director, ChaosTrend7 years ago
Are we debating whether god exists yet? ........................

Well at least you tried for the first couple of comments. :D

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Paul Johnson Managing Director / Lead code monkey, Rubicon Development7 years ago
My point is, humans beings were created...
No, they weren't. That's not even a "theory", that word that religionists never seem to understand. There's a clear path to the evolution of mankind in our current state, visible right there in 3D in museums, and more gaps are being filled in at a finer grain all the time.

I can't be arsed getting into it with religion arguments, but this statement about humans being created is just false - it's neither religious nor irreligious, just demonstrably wrong. And that's not a matter of faith (or a lack thereof), it's simply a matter of having eyes.

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@Marty Religious leaders take advantage of the gaps in our knowledge about complex subjects, knowing full well that once we hear an explanation that's vaguely satisfactory, 90% of us won't bother researching further.

The reason you believe what you just repeated about our origins is because your religious authorities only had to provide an answer for your own surface knowledge on the subject (as evidenced by your mentioning fish and walking amoebas etc.) before you were happy to say you know what to think.

What you're missing, and probably why nobody is bothering to debate you on this, is that the more you know about evolution the less sense any religious interpretation makes. Your explanation proves you haven't really looked into it and to be honest nobody wants to discuss a fairly complicated topic like evolution on a public forum with people who have no interest in it as a subject.

If you really want to learn whether you are telling the truth when you argue the topic, you need to go back and learn a lot more about evolution from non-religious sources first. Test your own theories before you test others.
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