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Anonymous to "destroy" Sony network

Internet activists turn attention to Sony over SOPA support

Anonymous, the notorious online anarchist group, has released a video stating its intention to attack Sony over its support for the Stop Online Piracy Act.

In the video, posted on YouTube on December 28, the group said that Sony had signed its own death warrant by supporting the controversial American act.

"Yet again, we have decided to destroy your network," threatens the video.

"We will dismantle your phantom from the internet. Prepare to be extinguished. Justice will be swift, and it will be for the people, whether some like it or not."

The post was updated with an image of a dog with a gun to its head, with the following message.

"Dear RIAA/MPAA, meet Sony. Sony is a dog. Sony is your dog."

"Cease and desist in persuing [SIC] your ridiculous futile decade long crusades against grandmas, innovators, teenagers, and dead people. If not we will kill your dog."

PlayStation Lifestyle reported that the #OpSony group within Anonymous has said that while Sony Computer Entertainment is a target the activists will not attack the PlayStation Network or consumers, instead focusing on Sony websites and employees.

Sony has actually withdrawn from supporting SOPA, although Sony/ATV Music Publishing, Sony Music Entertainment and Sony Music Nashville are still listed in official documents as supporters, and the ESA, of which Sony is a member, still backs the anti-piracy bill.

In April attacks on the PlayStation Network took the service offline for over five weeks.

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Latest comments (57)

Kingman Cheng Illustrator and Animator 8 years ago
Oh bloody hell not again.
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I don't see how attacking the employees will be beneficial to the "cause" since many of those people have no say in what the Sony execs decide I assume. Anonymous are just harming innocent people in an already fragile economy. As for attacking Sony well I believe they have the right to support whatever they want but I am seriously against their prior claims that they own the hardware they sell which led to some of the original hack attempts. I see Anonymous as a group without a true purpose, looking to pick a fight. Just my two cents.
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I think its a very ill informed attack, and what benefit will there be to attack Sony. Cant these groups put their chaotic powers to better uses for mankind?
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Kingman Cheng Illustrator and Animator 8 years ago
I feel sorry for the hard working Sony employees, who Anonymous feel deserve to be caught up in this.
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Indeed. Sony isnt the man.
If Anonymous want a cause, how about looking at real cases where there is a real case of taxevasion, dodgyness and corruptness.

Please leaves the game creatives alone!
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Bruce Everiss Marketing Consultant 8 years ago
If piracy was totally uncontrolled then there would be no commercial games. Is this what Anonymous want?
We need people to pay for games so as to afford the salary bill of the people who create them. Pirates don't seem to realise this.
Most games make a loss. Something else they don't understand.
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@ bruce - Indeed. making games is so risky, its something (as much as its close to my heart) that constantly tempts one to dive into, but the risk is one could easily sink all the profits and have no guarantee of breaking even (even)
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Klaus Preisinger Freelance Writing 8 years ago
Could you even do a parody of Anonymous, if you had to? Seriously? "Our fury be brought upon [..] Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga".

In the end, piracy is facilitated by two parties exchanging data over a line. Sometimes they need a broker to get them together, but nowhere does it say this connection broker has to be on the Internet himself. The only way to then stop piracy is to monitor every exchange of information between two persons on the Internet.

Ultimately, this surveillance will not just kill piracy, it will kill every communication on this channel.
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Curt Sampson Sofware Developer 8 years ago
If you don't like what anonymous is doing, perhaps you should stand up a bit when the large corporations many of you work for (directly or indirectly) suggest that they should be allowed to shut down Internet sites they don't like without any do procedure, or those corporations' lawyers suggest that grandmothers and children pay thousands of dollars or face a lawsuit. A lot of nasty stuff is done to the general populace in the name of attempting to increase the amount of economic rent that can be extracted from intellectual property, and you shouldn't be surprised that, after a century or more of massively increasing copyright terms and ever more draconian laws interfering with the fair uses we used to have, people are getting a bit up set. And come on, how many of you who lived through the era of cassettes have never accepted a mix tape from someone?

The legal monopoly you are granted over works which would otherwise be freely copyable is not a right, as much as you'd love to think so. It's a privilege granted to you by the people in order to encourage you to create works we like. With current levels of copying not deterring you from making AAA games (at least, not at the moment), clear we don't need to pay more to give you more encouragement.
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Wesley Williams Quality Assurance 8 years ago
SOPA is a nightmare made real, but I don't think this is the way Anon should go about fighting it. I wouldn't be adverse to them knocking all Sony's websites offline for a day and replacing them with a fake takedown notice. Now that would shine a big fat light on SOPA without doing too much damage.
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Fran Mulhern , Recruit3D8 years ago
Find them, prosecute them.

A******s.
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Nikita Seredkin Praktikant Game Design/Scripting, Daedalic8 years ago
No one goes in the video game industry to get rich. All we want is to enslave peoples souls and form an army of undead zealots to conquer the world. I don't get it why some companys suddenly start to fight piracy for no obvious reason. I personaly don't care that much about money, as long as I can always suck the sweet blood of my minions. You guys need to learn to be humble.
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Shane Sweeney Academic 8 years ago
This is a lot bigger than the games industry.
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Abel Oroz Art Director / Artist 8 years ago
Seems to me that these people have too much free time in their hands, and sadly they spend so much of it around the computer that they think the biggest problems of this world are console-related. If they only channeled their hatred towards more noble and important causes. Shouldn't they be collapsing the rating agencies or something?

If they really did what they claim, hundreds of employees, not just Sony employees but also many indie studios that develop games for PSN, would be victims of a war they're not involved in.
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John Donnelly Quality Assurance 8 years ago
Andrew, no. In its current form it is draconian and just bad.
However something needs to be done.

We have an entire generation that feels that paying for stuff is not needed when you can get it from some site, torrent so on and so forth.

Able.. Why hit the rating agencies?
Have you any idea what these actually mean in real life terms?
If not I would advice you to find out.
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Neil Young Programmer, Rebellion Developments8 years ago
Don't even see how this will impact on whether SOPA gets implemented? Doubt Sony's stance is critical to it, and other supporters are unlikely to be swayed by this.

Could even have the opposite effect, by discrediting people using ethically acceptable means to challenge it.
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Terence Gage Freelance writer 8 years ago
I think they're just looking for weak excuses to target Sony again. No matter what they do, Sony kind of seem to be everyone's whipping boy this generation.
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Peter Bess Software developer 8 years ago
Sony deserves this.
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Mike Reddy Course Tutor BSc Computer Game Development, University of South Wales8 years ago
No Preetpal, ESA deserve this...
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John Donnelly Quality Assurance 8 years ago
Preetpal, you do realize this is a industry site not some fan site?

Sony are an important player in the game industry and have done alot to drive the progress of gaming from the bedroom to the living room.
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Antony Dowd Acc Director, Freedman International8 years ago
Just ask yourselves if you'd still be happy to see piracy if it was you and your money that had built the game in the first place..oh I love a black & white world!
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Mihai Cozma Indie Games Developer 8 years ago
So many people read the article wrong. It is against SONY, not PSN, nothing specifically console related or gaming related. Just because the news was posted on this website, doesn't mean it has something to do with the consoles.
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Temi Web design 8 years ago
@Dr. Chee Ming Wong it's risky because the market is saturated.
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James Wells Gaming Contributor - digboston.com 8 years ago
Ugh... these people are more annoying than Snooki.
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Nicholas Russell writer 8 years ago
SOPA may or may not be bad news but my real worry is whether this is really the best way to effect change upon it. I mean these guys are terrorists and them succeeding in inciting political change of this kind through threats of digital and financial violence looks like it'll only lead to real violence later on, whether it be other groups rallying behind these attacks as a means to succeed in their own causes or Anonymous' own members getting sick of waiting for their cyber terrorism to work, taking the gun featured in their latest video, and aiming it at Sony employees in order to attain its goals. I may not like how things are going in congress but the Anonymous alternative is by far worse.
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Benjamin Bradford Senior Programmer, SCEE Team Soho8 years ago
Presumably Anonymous are going to make their own games to supply to the public then? For free.
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Klaus Preisinger Freelance Writing 8 years ago
If you are a content creator, you might find this post depressing at first. But the industry has not only prevailed, but grown despite of this and in the history of human kind the percentage of people getting paid for creating art related products has never been higher than today.

The history of failing to prevent piracy.

Personal Trading:
You either had one of the first modems and a phone number where to download games, or you knew a guy who knew a guy. Which has always worked and will always work. This sort of piracy is targeted by copy protections. Not that is solves the problem, but it requires the trading pipeline to get longer, since not every copy can spawn more copies. Funny how 25 years later the groups where piracy begins still are the same. Reminds me of the drug trade.

Napster:
Uses the Internet to cut the pipeline from source to consumer short. Files found via centralized server. Service disrupted by targeting this central server.

Edonkey:
No longer disruptable because of availability of server software. Service disrupted by mass lawsuits targeted at server operators.

Emule:
Decentralized servers, still one network. Service disrupted by targeting people downloading with mass lawsuits.

Torrent:
Massive resurgence of small and medium sized communities trading links. Even though there is one big one, there are too many to count and efficiently combat. Mass lawsuits anyway.

Seedbox:
To circumvent being tracked while downloading, seedboxes were invented. Anonymously rented virtual machines downloading files somewhere in the world where nobody cares. The files are then copied to your local machine by means of encrypted VPN. They are hard to catch and one idea how to disrupt them is by trying to eliminate anonymous payments on the Internet (which is not going well).

Filehosts:
An evolution of the seedbox idea. Instead of creating one virtual machine per pirate, just create a place for dead drop boxes you do not control. Directly targeted by lawsuits, did not stick.

Appearance of sites listing filehost links:
Since filehosts are not going anywhere, the logical conclusion is to target the sites mediating between user and data. That does include Google, which does find illegal downloads in no time. Sopa is the reaction to that.


The Future of Piracy:
With bandwidth increasing and current generation piracy under pressure, users will shift to encrypted VPN tunnels to connect to virtual machines/filehost hybrids. This will aim at the problem of current piracy methods being "observable" by content owners. If you use technology made for cloud computing to create parallel instances of the Internet, which do not interface with the current one and which are only accessible by certain virtual machines, then there is little the content owners can do. Your local ISP cannot decipher what happens in your encrypted connection and without proof of something illegal going on he can't cut it. The ISP of your remote virtual machine neither cares, nor does he know your name. The content owner can trace each illegal download up to the point of one of those virtual machines, but since they then redirect the package into another network, the content owner loses track of the destination. If the virtual machines are set up cleverly, you can't even hack them to see what happens with the data there. With every copy of Windows already supporting encrypted remote sessions, people do not even need to download any software. If you think you can disrupt this by blocking out target IP addresses, then consider IPV6 and its range of options to ruin any chance of that.


The movie, TV and music industry needs to start thinking about instant global availability of their product with costs refinanced by ads, product placements and competitively priced subscriptions. Pirates are a direct competition to the radio and TV system. Established broadcasting companies cannot compete in range with pirates. Regional exclusivity and lawyers protecting it kill any chance of capitalizing on the same markets pirates do.

Games will either have to move to Onlive, or release on heavily encrypted closed platforms, or move to server based games. none of those options is a perfect solution, as every decision means part of the market has to be given up. The industry has grown tremendously despite piracy, so it might have to live with it.

The only way to stop piracy is to end the very idea of privacy and implant each person with a chip monitoring the input on all of their senses and have a computer control that. I propose the Stop Humans Obtain Drugs and Naughties Act, short Shodan.
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@Benjamin Im looking forward to it..
Seriously. Why in hell some people wants to f*** exactly the same company that made the best products they have in their homes??? Dont like Sony? Ok, buy your stuff from Philips, Toshiba, CCE, or whatever, just let the people that really WORK (a GREAT work) in peace.
@Andreas I know a LOT of people who NEVER did any of this. Just because you do this, doesnt mean everyone else does.
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Thomas Grant Software / Game Developer 8 years ago
The reason SOPA even exists is because of slaves to a logical fallacy. Simply,
-Something Must be done.
-SOPA is something
-Therefore SOPA must be done. I agree that something must be done about piracy, and about the diminished percieved worth of people's hard work, but this act is not it. I feel that it is not the law that must be changed, it is people's view toward entertainment mediums. I feel we (the games industry) should be more open about how much these games cost to make, spell out the worth in black and white, rather than have people think that they are conjured up with magic and nice thoughts.
Also @Andreas, I have NEVER used a torrent site, I like buying CDs (well digital music now), BluRays and Games. I see the worth in the work of others, and so I pay some money and I am entertained. I have never torrented a TV show to watch if I missed it. That's what iPlayer and 4OD are for.
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Carl Crawford Studying Bachelor of Information Technology, Otago Polytehnic8 years ago
Bruce Everiss have you even read what SOPA is? It has very little to do with piracy, for instance if this law comes into effect if I was to post a SINGLE screen shot of a game on my blog of a game, the company can have my blog removed from the internet (even if it turns out the screen shot as not from their game) and me thrown in prison with out trial.
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Rui Martins Senior Software Developer 8 years ago
SOPA is really BAD!
And most importantly it will slowly close down the internet for Americans only!

SOPA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online... ) is not the answer.

Funny enough, SOPA means, SOUP in Portuguese.
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Liam Farrell8 years ago
And we all trust anonymous not to hack our bank accounts? Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather someone who actually shows their face, speak up against the draconian SOPA act. It wouldn't look good if people who sold knock off copies of Fifa, campagned against SOPA would it? This isn't really that far off
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Nrupesh Gajjar Buyer, Anthrox.com8 years ago
Attack employees? Are all employees responsible? There might be some bad characters everywhere but most people everywhere are good.
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Shane Bundy8 years ago
The irony of all this is the fact Sony no longer support SOPA, PIPA, etc.
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Jeremy Glazman Programmer 8 years ago
@Bruce "If piracy was totally uncontrolled then there would be no commercial games."

I hope you aren't serious, I thought everyone had moved on from such old silly arguments. Piracy is rampant in China and yet somehow they seem to have plenty of profitable game companies. And sending some kid to jail for 5 years for illegally recording some movies or copying some games? That's rediculous. All this bill does is show how much control organizations like the MPAA have over our government.
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Wes Peters Software Engineer, Sony Online Entertainment8 years ago
@Klaus: an excellent summary of the current state of affairs. Various enterprises are, FINALLY, driving towards distribution of movies, music, and tv shows over the internet, but there is a huge mass of legacy contracts that have to be moved along with this effort. Sony Pictures, for instance, can't just decide to start releasing its new movies over the internet the week after release, because they have contracts with distribution companies to move their movies through the existing networks of movie theatres, DVD production, network TV, second-run theatres, etc. Internet releases of these products have to fit into this existing schedule where they can, which is not necessarily where you want them to. Nor is it necessarily where the childish thieves of anonymous want them to.

Sony in particular has been a leader in this area, with the Qriocity/Sony Entertainment Network, but then again Anonymous attacked that recently, didn't they? And precisely who benefited from the attack on the Playstation Network and SOE? Right. Anonymous.
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Matthew Bennett 3D Engine developer, Sitedesk8 years ago
I know something needs to be done about piracy... but I also know pirates often spend the most on games, movies and music out of any other demographic. The success of games like Skyrim and Super Meat Boy proves that there is a market of users willing to pay for media and people WILL pay for awesome. Personally, I think every group involved is in the wrong one way or another.

SOPA is the first step to a china-style censorship of the internet, it takes away freedom of speech and offers a maximum 10 year sentence in it's place. Certainly not the way to go and anyone who truly supports this after knowing all the details is a twisted person indeed.

Anon is bordering on becoming a terrorist organisation, threatening to attack people who are not involved in any way in the proceedings in the American courts at the moment. As much as I support protests against SOPA that is too much.

and publishers have scared potential paying customers away with DRM nightmares, scare stories of games only being able to be installed a set number of times etc. Spore is one of the most pirated games of all time, and not because it's a brilliant game, it is partially down to the DRM EA first introduced on the game which meant users could only install it a maximum of 3 times before having to contact EA support. This was patched out later when EA dropped support for the game altogether. Why would a paying customer want to subject themselves to that when they can just go onto the internet and get a copy that comes with all the DRM switched off? If I was in that position I'd do what they probably did, just take the option that offers less grief.

It's sad but true.

Yes, Games will be pirated, they probably always will be pirated. But if we, as developers, producers and designers give the consumers a good reason to buy our games, they will. But keeping up a ridiculous and costly fight which produces things like the DRM seen in Spore and the Stop Online Piracy Act is beyond me.
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Dom Almond8 years ago
If you pirate music/movies/games, it stops the industry from growing. Would you work all day for nothing? I don't get why people think it's ok to rip people off because they are too cheap to respect the work that has gone in to making somthing and just pay for it?
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Sony and all supporters of SOPA deserve this. Read up on SOPA just how it will effectively destroy the internet and free speech. If you are outside the US, this will affect you too as most internet giants are based in America, not to forget there powers to cut funding to sites abroad and make them bankrupt.
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Nathan Runge Managing Director, Genius Interaction Pty Ltd8 years ago
Reading the comments on this thread, it's clear that Anonymous has already been successful, prior to having actually done anything. Almost every comment is regarding the SOPA, which from what little I know sounds terrible, but the main issue in the article is Anonymous' cyber-terrorism. The article itself states:

"Sony has actually withdrawn from supporting SOPA"

Anonymous have achieved a somewhat mythical status. While they occasionally expouse high ideals, they are, for the most part, a lot of bored teenagers allowing their computers to be used for mass attacks by a smaller number of sometimes intelligent radicals. The majority of their actions, including this one, are closely aligned to their shared principles of digital anarchy. Anonymous AREthe sense of entitlement that leads to piracy, congealed into a group.

The majority of Anonymous actions are like this one. They refer to an issue which may, or may not, be legitimate. The SOPA issue is a legitimate problem, through Anonymous' motivations are more suspect. They then proceed to do something that harms a lot of people who have little, if anything, to do with the problem in a manner that affects no change and reflects poorly on those who ethically adopt their stance. They give little thought beyond their own egos.

Considering the matter is connected to the article, and unlikely to disappear, I'll weigh in briefly on piracy. To answer Andreas' question earlier, I have pirated media in the past. I was young and entitled and it is a sincere regret. I have not pirated in years now, and have removed pirated media or purchased where I could.

A lot of very entitled individuals like to argue that intellectual property is not something you can own, and that it is simply a way of extorting money out of people. In a way this is true. It IS about money. People work very hard on products which, simply because they're not a physical object, people seek to steal. They deserve to be rewarded for the effort and risk they have undertaken. Yet, we face attitudes like Curt Simpsons's:

"The legal monopoly you are granted over works which would otherwise be freely copyable is not a right, as much as you'd love to think so. It's a privilege granted to you by the people in order to encourage you to create works we like. With current levels of copying not deterring you from making AAA games (at least, not at the moment), clear we don't need to pay more to give you more encouragement. "

That is the problem as Klaus Preisinger detailed. SOPA will not destroy piracy, nor will any law that could feasibly be passed. As Klaus said, we need to destroy the culture of piracy. That sense of entitlement that "I want this, and I don't want to pay for it, so I'll just download it". That sense that anything they want is automatically theirs. As long as people feel that way, pathetic as it is, there will be piracy.

For those of you who support or are engaged in game piracy, I'll give you a little story. I've started up my own studio recently, as the job prospects in Australia are terrible. I'm a new graduate with a family. I have a net personal worth tens of thousands in the negative. I've been working hard for a year doing market research, planning, networking and product development. In a month, the first game will go out for mobile platforms. I need that product to succeed to safeguard my financial future.

Yet, when that product goes out, within hours of appearing on the marketplace that game will be cracked illegally and statistics indicate that at least 80% of the products being used over the first six months will be pirated. If just 1/4 of those people bought the game, my revenue would double. Have you paused to consider what that means for the many people in similar positions to my own?

Certainly it's easier to abstract your actions when you pirate a game from a large publisher/developer, but it is morally indistinguishable. Consider how many job losses their have been these past few years, or how many additional jobs could be created with the additional revenue. Certainly the job losses aren't caused by piracy, but each dollar lost to piracy is a dollar that can't pay an employee, a software license or rent.

All that is just window dressing though. The point is, it's not yours. You have no right to it. Don't take it.
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Klaus Preisinger Freelance Writing 8 years ago
@Nathan

From source to pirate, entitlement never plays a role. The free culture is not one invented by pirates, it is one permeating the entire culture. All western democracies aim for is to provide certain commodities for free. Free health care, free education, free infrastructure, free TV and Radio programs, free speech, free choice, free lawyers, etc. The entire society is hardwired to provide all basic necessities for free, or almost for free. Not all things can be free, but the "best" economic system is wired in such a way that everything is at least as cheap as possible. Water, food and energy have a degree of availability in the western world that death by thirst, famine or freezing to death is almost gone from society. Life is expensive, but surviving is incredible cheap, that is our achievement. That's why we are 7 billion in the first place, even in the third world surviving has become dirt cheap.

On the Internet it is just monkey-see, monkey-do. People do not really have to take part in providing society's free benefits and paying taxes is already too far removed. What is the bored monkey to do then? He picks a not so basic commodity, applies society's aim of making everything freely available, creating his little download utopia. The steps towards that are split up.

There is the layer of people who will try and get the game pre-release and crack it. They do not want to play it, they are engaged in a game of "who can do it first". They are in it for the glory.

You then have a layer of filehosts who provide the download in a way that keeps their hands clean. They earn money by selling premium accounts. They are in it for the greed.

Then there is a layer of people going OCD on trying to collect all the links to filehosts on a website. They get traffic, traffic gets ads which pays bills. This enables them to continue playing the "collect all" game. They are in it for some caveman instinct of hunting down stuff.

In the end they do to games, what the state did to education. They socialized it within a system of automatic human responses beyon any single person's control. Except they might forget that the people making games are not in it for survival, but for having an actual life.

If we turned this entire society on its head and removed the aim to make everything free and created a generation of citizens who stopped believing in the free culture, then we would not get to the point where money can be spend on luxury items such as games. We would be too busy spending every penny on survival, or sell the means of survival to other people overcharging them in the process. That was how the middle ages did it.

The best you can do is something like Steam, which forms a complex social group of content producers and content consumers with healthy sums of money exchanging hands. Fighting pirates is wasted time better spend on tapping into that group of willing consumers and there is a variety of platforms where they can be found. Fans were willing to pay money at conventions since the 70ies and what is the Internet if not a million fan conventions 24/7. There will be pirates, but there is also a lot of money to be made. When piracy had allegedly ruined movies, the Harry Potter movies made an estimated $20 billion at box office and DVD. Not counting the books, not counting merchandise, not counting games. That is the power of having fans in the 21st century.
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Curt Sampson Sofware Developer 8 years ago
Nathan, you're the one with the overblown sense of entitlement here. Just because you happen to have put a lot of work into something doesn't mean you deserve to be paid for it. I've put well over three hundred hours into playing Fallout 3 in a very creative way; do I deserve to be paid for that?

You knew what you were getting in to when you decided to go into the games industry; if you can't handle the state of that world, you should get out. There are lots of other options which will earn you a decent and steady income, such as training to be a plumber.

I've given up a lot of income to do more of what I want to do and less of what I don't want. That's the nature of the world.

The irony of the whole situation is, of course, that there's a reasonable chance you'll be hoist on your own petard if a larger company decides that one of your original games has too many elements similar to one of theirs, and you make a sudden status change from "deserving creator" to "thieving pirate scum."
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John Young Interactive Software Developer 8 years ago
Curt: "I've put well over three hundred hours into playing Fallout 3 in a very creative way; do I deserve to be paid for that?" - No, you did nothing that benefited anybody but yourself. You deserve to be paid no more than I get paid for watching TV - nowt.

Meanwhile Nathan is trying to earn a crust - and you're just saying tough, you deserve nothing for your efforts and you're fool for doing it, go work for a bank. Well, Curt, wouldn't the world be great if Nathan and everyone like him did decide not to bother.
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Greg Wilcox Creator, Destroy All Fanboys! 8 years ago
Are you all telling me that NONE of you ever use a torrent site to download ANY kind of content (i.e. TV shows, films, music)? You have never watched a copied film someone brought into the office? you have never copied a friends CD or mp3s? You never missed the last episode of Californication and opted to download it rather then wait for a re-run? Interesting.

Nope. never done any of that stuff, sorry. I work out of home, so no one drops by with a movie they swiped illegally before it was supposed to be released, I'm in no tearing hurry to watch something on cable because it goes on demand after the first airing. I have a shitty connection here, so I have no need to torrent and I'm not so damn impatient that I can't wait and buy stuff I want rather than take it because I wanted it earlier than anyone else.

Do I know people who do all that stuff? Yup. Some of them are the "just do it types" Klaus mentions above and others seem to not think anything wrong is being done because "everybody does it, so???", which always irks me a bit. But, I'm not going to play RoboCop and go after them at all, as I have other things to worry about...

Some of us live normal lives, y'know...
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Tony Johns8 years ago
You have to know when and where to pick your fights, but trying to attack a company is not one of them when you have many employees who are only just making an honest living.

They should focus their efforts in trying to attack the bill and NOT the companies who supported the bill.
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Nathan Runge Managing Director, Genius Interaction Pty Ltd8 years ago
@Klaus: In short, I agree. To clarify on the final point, the piracy statistics I referred to are specific to the iOS platform. Piracy is less prevalent on some other platforms, and it certainly doesn't mean you can't succeed.

@John: Thanks for making that point so I don't need to do so.

@Curt: I agree with your second statement. Just because I happen to have put a lot of work into something doesn't mean I deserve to be paid for it. What it DOES mean, if that work goes into creating something new, is that I deserve to own that work. I deserve, and others deserve to own the work they produce and, if they so choose they can endeavour to sell that work.

It is the consumer that decides whether or not I get paid. They can weigh the options and decide whether the amount of entertainment, or other value, they get from one of my products is worth the amount of money I request to allow them to use it. If it's not, then they don't get it. In the end it's entertainment, not food or shelter. There's no reason you can't do without if you don't think the price is worth-while.
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Richard Thomson Senior Software Engineer, Red Gaming8 years ago
Regardless of which side you fall on this debate, I think we can all agree that anonymous opposing the act is only going to help those who want its case, its just like in the south park with the flag and the Klan, any side they support has to be the wrong one...

In the eyes of the media at least and therefore the mass populous and politicians...
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Charlie Moritz Studying Philosophy with Psychology, University of Warwick8 years ago
I don't understand the hacker group anonymous - are they doing this for fun? Just to hurt people and damage everything they possibly can? It makes no sense to me, I just want to play videogames and they killed that for like a month!!! Why? Why punish gamers of all people, we do nothing to you we just want to play games and be left in peace!!!
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Tom Keresztes Programmer 8 years ago
I dont really care about attempts to prevent piracy, but the police failed to stop drug trade, human trafficking, and various other sort of crimes (in the last couple thousand years) and i am quite sure they put a lot effort into it.
SOPA looks like a desperate attempt to control the uncontrollable. I wonder what people would think if some would suggest to close down a section of a town and lock all people there (without a warrant/order) because a lot of crimes have been committed in the area? I am sure there would be possible to eliminate crime, but at what price ?
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Chris Aikman Freelancer 8 years ago
I'm depressed to see that this has turned into a debate about Anonymous rather than SOPA. I'm not even American but I've been an active opponent of SOPA simply because it threatens a lot of people who make their lively hoods in the online creative market.
Run a successful blog/website with game reviews and use screen shots or in game footage? Congratulations SOPA would allow copyright holders to instantly and without question get your website delisted without notification. Can nobody see how this allows for abuse of copyrights even more than the DMCA? Even massive sites like Reddit could be shut down simply because they link to screen shots of games or other copyrighted content. Effectively meaning if someone posts a personal screenshot taken in game and says something negative about the game then the copyright holder could instantly and without due process have the site completely delisted.
Anyone that says companies wouldn't abuse the hell out of this is deluded.

It has very little to do with piracy and a lot to do with companies wanting to be allowed to suppress anything they feel harms their image. It's not only outdated and being supported by people who have little to no idea how the internet works. Seriously if you can find a copy of the live stream from the last meeting on it go and watch it. Two of the opponents of the bill were pushing for amendments and the majority of the senators in attendance didn't even know what IP, DNS and other very basic terms meant.
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Rick Lopez Illustrator, Graphic Designer 8 years ago
I dont mind buying my stuff as long as its priced reasonably. I buy all my PSP, PS3, PSN games. I bought dead island and Rayman Origines for 30$ each. El Shaddai I bought for 20$. I bought Ogre Battle: Let us cling together for 10$. All brand new copies. Think I pay 60$ - 40$ for a game?... hell no.... I also find most games on PSN network, priced reasonably, its retail games I see through the roof, but i can understand when retail, is also causing this with the sail of used games. Gamestop is already selling used iPODs, iPADs and iPHONEs. All that money they get is clean for them. this in turn affects apple sales on there products. I just think its wrong for developers to create stuff and not gain anything from it. I cannot support a group like anonymouse because of it, yet I think prices on certain things are just too high. Games for 60$, apple iPAd for 600$, iPOD touch for 300$. However the tablet market has cheaper alternatives, so that doesnt bother me. Id gladly get a kindle or nook as an alternatve to an iPAD anyday. Bottom line I like SONY's products. If I cant afford it, I just dont buy it. As much as I like the PS Vita and what it offers, Im not willing to put down the 400$ it costs if I buy the system+ 32gb memory card+single game cartridge. But Im ok, because there are plenty of cheaper alternatives to playing games. And I still got plenty of games to go through. i am in no rush to get a VITA. So what the fuck is anonymouse problems? Piracy will never end, but there are ways to discourage it. Besides when you download games or chip systems you always have bugs and stuff to deal with. Its not like you can pop a game in and play and it becomes cumbersome if you want to play online or download a patch. I for one am not risking my PSN account getting banned.
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Craig Page El Presidente, Awesome Enterprises8 years ago
Cool, will Sony give me two more free game downloads after the next attack?
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Gabriel Pendleton Unity Developer, Bully!8 years ago
What happened was people got smart and won't pay for crap! Make me a good game or movie and I will spend the money. I bought three copies or Bastion just because I wanted to give it to my friends. Movie companies and games have been getting away with crap for a long time. When I spend $60 on a piece of shit how do you think I feel? Make good products and people will support you, if you keep pushing out crappy 3D movies just for profit and no concern to the consumer you get screwed.
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Nathan Runge Managing Director, Genius Interaction Pty Ltd8 years ago
@Chris Aikman: I think most people agree on SOPA, but that's not what this article is about. Certainly it is what Anonymous intended in attacking Sony, for us to then associate the two.

@Gabriel Pendleton: That seems a little naive to me. The most pirated games are the critically acclaimed games, made by reputable companies. Furthermore, why would you download a game you didn't really want to play because it was a "piece of shit"? People pirate things they want, not for some sense of corporate justice.
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Sam White Managing Director, The People's Republic of Animation8 years ago
Isn't this just cyber terrorism? Seems cowardly. I dunno, just depressing that paying consumers and employees have to put up with this crap.
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Rui Martins Senior Software Developer 8 years ago
I can't remember explicit examples of studies on piracy to link here, but several studies have proved that even if piracy was somehow prevented, for a specific product, its sales would not rise, mainly because "most" people pirating it, wouldn't buy it in the first place, either because they couldn't afford it, or because they don't really want to use it.

Most people download, just because they can, but then they don't even play the games or watch the movies, because they don't have enough interest, which helps to prove that they wouldn't buy it in the first place.

The perception that preventing piracy would increase sales is incorrect!

I'm not defending piracy here!

What I'm trying to get across is that piracy is not the reason why a product fails to sell more.
At least there isn't a single study, that I have found, that states that would be so.

There are even cases, where piracy, has led to a possible increase in sales.

Microsoft windows piracy in china for example, provided depency on the product (O.S.), which further down the line made sales increase, for Microsoft ( O.S. and Office for example). Funny enough, it was a policy of Microsoft, to allow piracy of their OS in china, because they predicted the outcome.

Other examples, include software or games, that after being pirated so much, increased there status, media coverage and recognition by other buyer groups, that would then buy it, where before they didn't even new the product existed.

Piracy is BAD, but how bad, is still to be determined.
In some cases it might even be a good sale strategy.

Times are changing faster then peoples mentality and moral suppositions.

Just some food for though.


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John McGrath Student - Computer Games Development BSc 8 years ago
Hypothetical question: Imagine living in a World without money, where all our housing/power/food/hardware/etc needs were catered for by some benevolent system of distribution, were no one need work due to advanced self-repairing automation and we were free to do anything we wanted to do, how many of you would continue to develop computer games? In short, are you in the industry for the money or for the games?

If only one person answers 'for the games' then you can rest assured that the music/films/games/books will continue to flow, regardless of what happens in the rest of the World.

There's only one thing I truely hate about the creative industries; the stranglehold that money has over the flow of creativity. That's all SOPA is there for, to make sure the money flows, not the creativity.
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