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Destructoid EIC quits over disagreement with management

By James Brightman

Destructoid EIC quits over disagreement with management

Tue 21 Oct 2014 7:08pm GMT / 3:08pm EDT / 12:08pm PDT
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Dale North says goodbye to popular consumer website after nearly a decade

Destructoid Editor-in-Chief Dale North has revealed on his tumblr that he's unfortunately calling it quits due to unspecifed disagreements with management at the website.

"Without going into details, I feel certain actions taken and statements made by Destructoid management have not accurately reflected my feelings or taken my input as Editor-in-chief into account. I'm no longer comfortable having my name attached to the continued engagement with former staff," he wrote.

"I love Destructoid. It has been at the center of my life for just short of a decade. It was one hell of a ride, and I'll miss it and its people dearly."

It's unclear what the argument stemmed from, or if it was GamerGate related in any way. GamesIndustry.biz reached out to Destructoid founder and chairman Niero Gonzalez who referred to North's "less than flattering choice of exit words," but quickly followed that up with praise for the former editor.

"It's all good. Like any boss and employee relationship, we dont always agree. He put in a solid 8 years here. I'm proud of him and wish him the best," Gonzalez added, without diving into any of the causes for the disagreement.

When asked about who's going to replace North as the new Editor-in-Chief, Gonzalez responded that he's still "waiting on Dale's recommendation."

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18 Comments

William Usher Assistant Editor, Cinema Blend

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How about you guys report the whole story. I'll give you a hint, Google up "Destructoid corruption" and start there.

Cheers,

EDIT: FYI, no major site is going to interview everyone involved or report on the full story because they would have to admit that a certain thing blowing up on Twitter does involve corruption, and we can't have that interfering with certain narratives that were built on lies and misinformation. Prickly predicament, eh?

Edited 1 times. Last edit by William Usher on 22nd October 2014 6:39pm

Posted:A year ago

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Christopher Bowen Editor in Chief, Gaming Bus

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Oooooh! I can't wait to see the 15 minute InfoWars-style videos made by "DeathToDestructoid52176" that you GG people love making! Let me guess: Ashly Burch slept with Dale to get better placement for HAWP?

Posted:A year ago

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Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

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First Google Hit: "One Angry Gamer"... "Written by William Usher".

Could someone link me to an unbiased article please? (Sounds like sarcasm, actually isn't. :) )

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Morville O'Driscoll on 22nd October 2014 8:05am

Posted:A year ago

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Luke Giddings Programmer, Supermassive Games

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Ditto to Morville's comment

Posted:A year ago

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Robert Mac-Donald Game Designer, Lethe Games

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Truly unbiased media is not something easy to find in any age, given human interest in pushing agendas.

This is why the internet is such a breakthrough from traditional media because of the ability to add comment sections, where people can expose other sides of issues. Censoring users on comment sections is the worst thing a media site can do right now, it's a step backwards to a time where only a few in power had a voice.

This comment is a little off track, but I felt the need to say it.

Posted:A year ago

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Christopher Bowen Editor in Chief, Gaming Bus

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Frankly, Morville, I didn't want to give that person the satisfaction of even doing the search.

Posted:A year ago

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William Usher Assistant Editor, Cinema Blend

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Morville, check out the Reddit pastebin. Should be available through the KiA link. ;)

Posted:A year ago

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Andrew Ihegbu Studying Bsc Commercial Music, University of Westminster

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You see this is the problem I have here. And I'll address @Christopher Bowen directly here because I don't get much of an opportunity to actually talk to gaming press. Had the story that @William Usher's post led me to been in any other industry, I would have felt very sorry for the journo involved and left it there, but this is gaming press. A hell of a lot of my spending choices are made based on gaming press. Sure this isn't to do directly with games, but this leaves me confused.

A lot of the gaming press tries to declare superiority and treat all mention of corruption with contempt, but how do you hope to silence the voices, stop the bad PR and general GamerGate situation from becoming an EA style (lack of quality) trope without speaking up on it? If all the rest of the Gaming press have to say is "I'm not going to give them the satisfaction of looking" and everything the public is screaming for you to look at, then do you not think that they might deny you the satisfaction of trusting your articles to be corruption free in the future?

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Andrew Ihegbu on 22nd October 2014 7:50pm

Posted:A year ago

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Brad McGraw QA Tester

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@Christopher Bowen Have you read your house rules yet? Here is the link. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-20-our-house-rules Your comments so far in this thread "Oooooh! I can't wait to see the 15 minute InfoWars-style videos made by "DeathToDestructoid52176" that you GG people love making! Let me guess: Ashly Burch slept with Dale to get better placement for HAWP?" and " Frankly, Morville, I didn't want to give that person the satisfaction of even doing the search." Break rule #1, RESPECT. You can disagree with someone, but show respect.

Also just to point out that your Rule #2 is sexist by not including misandry in it as well. There are all kinds of comments floating around the internet right now blaming GG on angry white men, which is sexist, racist and misandry all in one. Lets not let that attitude spread here too please.

We may disagree on GG, but we should all be civil with each other. As an EiC you should be held more accountable because your opinions get passed through the entire site. So lets allow fairness and not personal opinion to fog what is going on. Personally I think both sides have things to talk about, but while the gaming press is only talking to and listening to one side this will not end and will just keep slogging on. This is not good for anyone in the industry.

@Andrew Ihegbu has a good point as well.

Posted:A year ago

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Jessica Hyland Artist, Turbulenz Limited

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@Brad
You... do realise that Christopher is EiC of Gaming Bus, not GamesIndustry.biz? Right?

Posted:A year ago

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Brad McGraw QA Tester

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@Jessica

No I didn't, but the majority of my point stands, if then taken in a general term. But thank you for the correction.

Posted:A year ago

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Shane Sweeney Academic

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That just reads as eDrama. Every work place at times has very controversial decisions made that not every one will agree with. I can't think of a job i have had in any sector that isn't rife with controversy and gossip. Nor have I worked at a place where employees haven't been controversially fired, this happens everywhere and in most sensible nations worker rights laws protect there citizens. Under a microscope all businesses will not be squeaky clean. This is not a games industry centric issue at all, and the call to arms for all games journalist to join the Society of Professional Journalist (SPJ) will *not* change this. Try again.

Every point raised about games journalism applies to all specialist press. All literature critics are working on there own novel, most music critics are in a band and/or work in the music industry in other capacities. The games industry isn't even a particularly bad example, inspect the tech writing sector or automotive writers sector, many whom are members of the SPJ with rafts of standards to follow and the conflicts of interest are worse. None of this is a games industry centric issue. Nobody ever knew who paid for Roger Ebert's taxi, dinner and film nor are we warned by any film critic. Nor does the GamerGate crowd seem to care.

It's hard to take any of this movement seriously when there is such wilful ignorance that this isn't a games journalist centric debate. Many things can be said about the specialist press but suggesting that emergency level drastic reform must happen immediately shows a real lack of objectiveness.

This just highlights all the more this has never been about journalistic ethics.

Posted:A year ago

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Reinhold Hoffmann Community Management

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People come and people go.

Posted:A year ago

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John Owens CEO, Wee Man Studios Ltd

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I won't comment on this case, I think Dale is a good journalist and will do well wherever he goes but I just want to comment on what Shane said.

The problem is not the fact that journalists have "other" interests but rather the problem with games journalism is it appears to be a closed shop where everyone supports each other. However what that means is there's never any dissenting views and as a result no checks on the behaviour. Whenever that happens like in politics or business etc it does lead to corruption which then manifests itself through those "other" interests or even the echo chamber which can lead to bullying.

It's no surprised that the problems started after GJPs list was created although I'm sure it was never created for this reason or was never intentionally used for this reason. It has just happened unfortunately.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by John Owens on 27th October 2014 9:36am

Posted:A year ago

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Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

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The problem is not the fact that journalists have "other" interests but rather the problem with games journalism is it appears to be a closed shop where everyone supports each other.
Ironically, in the end, all that GG is going to have done is push alternative (mostly freelance) writers out of the medium, and ensure that any fresh-blood carefully rethinks whether they really want to write about games. Regardless of gender, who started it, and what exactly started it, readers of quality writing have been harmed by all this.

Posted:A year ago

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John Owens CEO, Wee Man Studios Ltd

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@ Morville

It think it is leading to new or existing websites becoming more popular and with no more GJP there won't be the same level of "group think" from the others. Surely that's positive.

Posted:A year ago

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Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

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This is true, but websites/magazines are only as good as the staff/freelancers they can employ. :/ Perhaps I'm being too cynical though. :)

Posted:A year ago

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Jamie Knight International Editor in Chief, Playnation

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you would know, your old outfit employs one of the biggest mouthpieces involved in it

whoops, have I said too much?

Posted:A year ago

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