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Free-to-play is the future - Gree

Free-to-play is the future - Gree

Wed 09 Jul 2014 6:57am GMT / 2:57am EDT / 11:57pm PDT
Mobile

COO Anil Dharni on the advantages of free-to-play and why live ops are critical to a game's longevity

Free-to-play gaming has been on the rise in the West, but for companies from the East, like Japan's Gree, using the business model for its titles has long been a no-brainer. Gree has seen the free-to-play and mobile business evolve over the years in Asia, and the company believes that its Western studios are at a distinct advantage for having that inside knowledge.

For Anil Dharni, COO of US-based Gree International and formerly co-founder of Storm8 and Funzio (which Gree acquired), the free-to-play business model today brings with it many, many advantages that make it a more desirable option for most titles.

"We look at it as the future. So that's the macro view. It's funny that a lot of these console developers are [questioning it], even though they themselves are trying to... introduce micro-transactions in their games. So what is that? If you're letting somebody buy it for $50 or $60 and then you're again charging them more, do you really want to have that argument with us?" Dharni remarked to GamesIndustry International.

"I think the problem is by putting up a $50 gate, a $60 gate, a $100 gate, you are really limiting the accessibility of a game. And that's a big deal. I want people around the world to be playing games, not just people who have the purchasing [power] to buy those games. The same $50 game is $100 in India or it's $150 in Thailand and how many people in India are playing these games? How many people in those markets are playing these games? So once you make it free-to-play everyone can play."

"It's really good to have millions and millions of users that you can present to people, so [F2P] actually adds that scale that you need for these online [experiences]"

Beyond the obvious price barrier issue, Dharni noted that in the mobile market, scale has become hugley important, especially since most games rely on online interactions. Free-to-play makes it far easier to achieve a certain scale that couldn't be attained with a premium priced game.

"The second thing that we realized when we did Storm8, when we were doing Funzio, that accessibility provides a large audience for even the paying players. So when you are a paying player and you're looking, 'OK I need to battle somebody, I need to fight somebody,' ...you're not looking to fight with the same person over and over again. It's really good to have millions and millions of users that you can present to people, so it actually adds that scale that you need for these online [experiences]... these are tiny MMORPGs in some ways," he continued.

"Just thinking about it, if it's getting into the hands of a lot more people, it just means it's growing our business, it just means it's growing the share in the pie of gaming overall. Why would we not want to invest in that?"

Emphasizing his point about how most mobile games are online experiences, Dharni said that providing an ongoing service truly is at the heart of creating a successful game and hopefully a lasting brand. It's what Gree is striving for.

"Madden has been around for such a long time, the real question is can Modern War, Crime City be around as long as Madden has been around? And that's a really interesting challenge for us. We don't want to produce games that fade away after six months. And I think that's what gets those teams really excited; every day I wake up and I come back to work and I'm launching these features and launching these live events because I know my users and my players are coming back, because they actually enjoy it. They want to find out what's happening today on Monday and what's happening today on Friday," Dharni said.

"So it is becoming a huge part - we look at some of the games even in the top grossing today that do not have live ops and we kind of feel 'oh my god, I just wish they had that. I wish they were continuously launching new things for their players, the game would be so much more than where it is today.' So actually I feel like it's really critical and important in order to even just increase the lifespan of your game."

Where a mobile firm like Gree places its bets is also becoming more and more important. In the early days of mobile, it used to be that a publisher could throw money at tons of projects and just see which ones actually succeed. But, as Chillingo's Ed Rumley already pointed out, the costs (live ops included) are becoming far too great to take any chances now.

"[Back at Storm8] was when we could do a game every month. We were launching text-based RPGs and throwing them on the iOS platform and they were taking off. And then it evolved from there to when we founded Funzio, and there the games started taking six months. And now we are between six months to a year it takes to develop games," Dharni commented. "Games development [costs] have gone up, it's obviously more expensive but I think it still has that healthy mix. I still look at these stores and these two platforms, Android and iOS, and I see a healthy mix of 'spray and pray' versus the more mature developers who are very thoughtful about what to take the next bet in."

One of the keys for Gree is that the company's US division believes it has a window into the future of sorts. By evaluating the Japanese market, which has been ahead of the US, the company can take an educated guess at what's about to happen in America.

"In the Western market after Funzio was acquired by Gree, we had a pretty steep learning curve as to what was going on in Japan and how mature their gaming market was and what are the things that they do in their games to retain players for not six months, but they look at a three or four or five year window. And some of those techniques, some of those game design features we brought to the Western market," Dharni explained.

"So that's one really interesting thing that we get because of this relationship with Japan, we know what happened two years back and how the Western market will play out based on how the Japanese market played out. So that has really helped. If you look at modern games like Crime City or Modern War, Modern War was a top ten grossing title in 2013. It was launched two years ago. So it was the oldest app in the top ten grossing. There's a reason and the reason is because we've taken the principles of live operations and how to maintain those games from Japan," he continued.

"one really interesting thing that we get because of this relationship with Japan, we know what happened two years back and how the Western market will play out based on how the Japanese market played out"

Dharni also explained that Gree takes a very localized approach. Players in the West and in the East aren't necessarily going to have the same tastes. That being said, there are clearly some global success stories in the mobile space and Gree remains open to the possibility.

"We tend to launch games here from the US studio, from the San Francisco studio, for the Western market. We actually don't launch games for the Japanese market. Our Japan counterparts mostly launch for the Japanese market and if there is a one-off chance that we see a game that looks pretty good we can evaluate it and say 'OK, it's going to do well here,' then we bring it. It's more a one-off case rather than us trying to launch a global game. But it's a trend we are seeing now. We've seen that with Clash Of Clans, we've seen it with Candy Crush, we've kind of seen it with Puzzles & Dragons, we saw it with a few card battle games where they were able to do okay in Asia as well as in the Western markets. But I think those are much smaller, fewer breakout hits versus something that we think we can just repeat and sustain."

Looking ahead, Dharni said that Gree is "very opportunistic" and he sees the firm in a growth mode. In addition to a second-party publishing business, Gree is looking to three key areas. One is to sustain its key franchises for the long haul, while another is to place a few big bets in order to create more successful, new IP. In fact, Dharni noted that Gree looks to take two or three "really big bets" each year. "These are long term projects, they could be anywhere from six months to a year, what I would call mobile's AAA titles. With strong marketing budgets, strong development budgets, so those are our big bets," he said.

Rounding out Gree's strategy is a more rapid fire approach: "We have our innovation lab or G-lab, where we rapidly prototype stuff that we don't want to wait six months or eight months to find out that the game's a failure. Instead we want to prototype art concepts, we want to prototype gestures, and things that we don't want to take a risk with our existing games, but which could portend what's coming in the future. This is how the user behavior is going to change in the future."

16 Comments

Ron Dippold
Software/Firmware Engineer

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Popular Comment
Whatever I am pushing this month is definitely the future and everything else is totally doomed.

Posted:2 months ago

#1

Dave Herod
Senior Programmer

525 768 1.5
Slow news day?

Posted:2 months ago

#2
Popular Comment
At this point, free-to-play is the full gypsy spread; past, present and future.

Posted:2 months ago

#3

Jim Burns
Research Asisstant

44 85 1.9
This guy is so yucky. Does he even believe what he is saying?

Posted:2 months ago

#4

Mike Wells
Writer

61 28 0.5
PR, not news

Posted:2 months ago

#5

Ivan McCloskey
Co Founder

5 19 3.8
Typo: "Free-to-play is OUR future - Gree"

Posted:2 months ago

#6

Simon Weisgerber
Game Localization Consultant

21 8 0.4
GREE has a future?

Posted:2 months ago

#7

Aleksi Ranta
Product Manager - Hardware

273 127 0.5
But but but what about the other article?
"Richard Bartle: "Free-to-play has a half-life"

Right now im carving a beer bottle out of a solid block of wood, it is the future I tell you!

Posted:2 months ago

#8

Greg Wilcox
Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

2,175 1,124 0.5
Well, a wooden beer bottle CAN be chopped up into beer-flavored toothpicks, Aleksi. So hooray for the future. And splinters in one's mouth. Ouch.

Posted:2 months ago

#9

Paul Jace
Merchandiser

925 1,381 1.5
I thought 3D gaming was the future. Or was that VR?

Posted:2 months ago

#10

Adam Jordan
Community Management/Moderation

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I wouldn't say it's the future (Anyone spouting X is the future, needs a bottle of Ritalin and a timeout in the corner) but IT CAN WORK...if done correctly AND if the community is the focus.

Without a community, Free to Play is simply dead in the water, so in truth, what Anil says about the money gates is correct. You are limiting your audience since it goes against everything that F2P "should" be

Overall, F2P should be "You download the core game, you register and play but optional extras like cosmetics etc. you either earn by playing the game, whether by unlocking it or using in-game currency aka grinding or a time-sink...or you pay with real cash in order to skip all that and have the items now"...that should be the definition of F2P, which is why games like LoL and Dota 2 are doing as well as they are.

The above also works as a reply to Richard's opposite stance about Free to Play having a half life (Shame the title didn't repeat 3 times...otherwise confirmation!) F2P currently "will" have a half life, if western developers and publishers don't wake up and smell the coffee...or rather cash cows. However, if communication and interaction with a community is good along with the content of a game...then there would be no half life at all.

TL;DR version - F2P only works if you are widely accessible and actively communicating, involving, interacting and working with your community. Players will be loyal IF you give them a reason to be loyal

Posted:2 months ago

#11

Alfonso Sexto
Lead Tester

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People is having problem accepting that the idea that only one market model will exist in the future is a big fallacy. Did Radio disappeared as soon as Spotify was released? There you have it. And like or not, Mobile games tent to be very simplistic experiences that aim to the most accessible casual market (exceptions apply, of course, but they are a minority)

Still: "The same $50 game is $100 in India or it's $150 in Thailand and how many people in India are playing these games?"
I though that STEAM had cheaper prices in India so people would buy games there (hence why people tends to sport key from there) wasn't this the case?

Posted:2 months ago

#12

Morville O'Driscoll
Blogger & Critic

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I though that STEAM had cheaper prices in India so people would buy games there (hence why people tends to sport key from there) wasn't this the case?
India and Thailand are two countries that Valve have yet to roll-out regional pricing for, though they're due to do so very soon. With that roll-out, publishers should adapt their prices to the cost-of-living, rather than just using the Euro and Dollar prices as they do now. When publishers have actually noted the cost-of-living and set prices appropriately in Russia, games have been dramatically cheaper there than in the US/UK/Europe. As it stands now, Divinity: Original Sin (as an example) is the equivalent of $50 in India, but $18 in Russia.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Morville O'Driscoll on 10th July 2014 8:37am

Posted:2 months ago

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Christopher Bowen
Editor in Chief

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BREAKING: Company says that the future is the product that happens to be the foundation of their business. Followed by sports and weather.

Posted:2 months ago

#14
Free to Pay has come and missed the boat...its only going to work on a tiny tiny demographic and frankly, I dont see much traction outside of asia, maybe one or two titles but thats it.... I am sure some bastardised version of F2P will come out in the future, but If I was a betting man, we will come FULL circle back to pre paid goods but perhaps with more digital traction

Posted:2 months ago

#15

Nuttachai Tipprasert
Programmer

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The same $50 game is $100 in India or it's $150 in Thailand and how many people in India are playing these games? How many people in those markets are playing these games? So once you make it free-to-play everyone can play
A Thai here. Obviously this guy doesn't really know what he's talking. Many friends of mine buy games from Steam like crazy. They have 100+ of them on the backlog (mine is 70+) even Steam hasn't rolled out regional pricing on my country yet. Yes, more than half of them were sold on the sales period but that fact doesn't change any thing. Pay up front model is still doing fine. Of course, I admit that Thai game market has grew a lot on F2P sector. Many games started localising in Thai because our market has became so big that the company cannot ignore it anymore. But still, I have yet to see any sign of pay up front demise. These two models can live together just fine. People who believes otherwise either ignorance or... you know.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Nuttachai Tipprasert on 11th July 2014 3:35am

Posted:2 months ago

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