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Razer sells every product at a loss

By Mike Williams

Razer sells every product at a loss

Thu 10 Oct 2013 7:09pm GMT / 3:09pm EDT / 12:09pm PDT

CEO Min-Liang Tan jokes that eventually Razer will "grow up and be a proper company"

In an interview with VG247, Razer CEO Min-Liang Tan admitted that every product the company ships is sold at a loss. The statement came up when Tan was asked about the sales of Razer's left-handed gaming mouse, which he said sells "terribly." Tan said his company is focused on gaming, not just ideas that make a profit.

"We're not run like a real company, I know. It's insane, but every single product we ship, we're shipping at a loss. Life is short. And it's funny to see someone using a left-handed mouse," he said. "I have great investors. They're passionate about what they do. I tend to be able to deflect any questions like 'how are we doing on a business level? How profitable are we?' by going 'Look at this! Isn't it cool?' And they go 'Oh yes, it's cool,' and then I agree. Yet another board meeting saved."

"Our investors are genuine product people. I'm thankful for it. I cannot imagine if somebody's just interested in like, a bottom line or a profit," he explained. "We've been able to make decisions that make absolutely no commercial sense whatsoever. Even the laptop flies in the face of industry reports. You know, 'PCs are dying, everyone should get out of the PC industry' and here we are going 'Great! Let's invest as much money as we can in building a PC laptop.' Right? Doesn't make any sense but hey! Look at it! It's cool."

Razer recently released its Razer Blade gaming laptop in Australia, which the company touts as the world's thinnest gaming laptop. The Blade is plenty powerful, but it's also pretty pricey at $1,999 for the cheapest model. Tan said that the Blade is only possible because Razer is willing to spend the money on significant R&D.

"For every finished product that goes to market, there are probably four finished products that we've done but not released," Tan explained. "It's one of those things, a Razer design initiative. We take a million years to get anything out. If you put things in perspective, most other companies probably launch more products in a single year than we have done in the past - since we were founded."

"It's like a running joke. We launch on the average maybe five, or four new products a year? And our customer base complains that we launch the products too fast. I'm trying to figure out why. Most other companies launch about 50 new products a year, or even 100. We launch very few products - but products that everybody wants. if there are 50, you might only want one of them, or three of them, but because we're just so lazer-focused on gamers themselves, every single thing becomes a gamer's requirement."

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Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

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I must say, I like the fact that Razer are one of the few companies to aim for specific markets, even at a loss - the MMORPG-oriented and left-handed mice show a willingness to find currently uncatered-for markets. It's just a shame there's so little in the way of profit margins.

Also, odd how I think of Valve whilst reading this... Or maybe not odd, really, especially with the talk of slow product releases. Bets that there's going to be a Steam Machine-certified Razer streaming box? 5'll get yer 10? :D

Posted:2 years ago


Pier Castonguay Programmer

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'PCs are dying, everyone should get out of the PC industry'. Everyone saying this is completely clueless, PC are stronger than ever.

Posted:2 years ago


Paul Johnson Managing Director / Lead code monkey, Rubicon Development

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Posted:2 years ago


Chris Murphy Community & Live Manager, Ubisoft

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While I have to admire the "gamer centric" approach that they are portraying, you have to question that claim. Given the fact that other peripheral companies are able to maintain a functioning and profitable business...the notion that none of Razer's products are profitable is quite disturbing. They've been iterating upon a number of their most popular mice for a while now, surely there's not a great deal of R&D costs to cover there. Then of course there are the huge licensing deals that they do with the biggest publishers in the world. And don't forget their mouse mats...

I would have thought that these would be relatively "safe bets" that are at the very least profitable.

Posted:2 years ago


Iulian Mocanu Writer, editor, and video editor

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I am a bit suspicious of this news, mostly because of the Belkin Nostromo, which Razer sold as the Razer Nostromo, at a 50% price hike.

Posted:2 years ago


Keldon Alleyne Handheld Developer, Avasopht Ltd

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Sounds like they should register themselves as a charity or a social enterprise, then they could get some tax breaks and operate at a profit.

Posted:2 years ago


Gareth Eckley Commercial Analyst

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Whilst I'm as big a fan of the PC as anyone:

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Now how much of this is down to the economic slump and how much of this is down to other factors, I could not say without further analysis. People don't build consoles for themselves, for example.

Posted:2 years ago


Keldon Alleyne Handheld Developer, Avasopht Ltd

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@Gareth: that is a direct response to Metro, people hate Windows 8 that bad they've declined to upgrade.

Posted:2 years ago


Adam Campbell Product Executive, Hopster

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I also think its quite a disturbing claim but its his business I guess.

Posted:2 years ago


Tim Senior PR Manager, ROCCAT GmbH

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PC gaming is stronger than ever

Posted:2 years ago


Richard Westmoreland Game Desginer, Exient Ltd

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Whilst I can admire his dedication and customer focuses, you should not be proud about running a business badly. He has employees' livelihoods in his hands.

Posted:2 years ago


Jean-Marc Wellers Assistant Online Services, Ubisoft

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If employees get paid fine, I see no problem in this.

Posted:2 years ago


Jean-Marc Wellers Assistant Online Services, Ubisoft

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He says that, but on the other hand, I can see other companies like "Astro Gaming" ok, it's only headsets for now, but they also don't have lots of products out there.
Companies who launch 50 products a year, sell at loss for most of them, but make HUUUUUUGE MARGINS on their mainstream products.
Razer is insignificant in terms of marketshare. (PC)
I got myself a pretty Razer Mamba, and I love it!!! It's all I need and ever needed! Perfectly perfect!

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Jean-Marc Wellers on 11th October 2013 4:49pm

Posted:2 years ago


Yvonne Neuland Studying Game Development, Full Sail University

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I absolutely love Razer Products. I use the Razer Naga 2012 gaming mouse, and it all the extra buttons are great for way more than just gaming. I have profiles set up with document editing shortcuts for excel, powerpoint, word, and one note that make formatting so much faster. I also have a profile for Visual Studio set up that cuts out a ridiculous number of keystrokes when coding.

I also use their Black Widow Keyboard for coding, which is loud, but so much easier on the wrists. Love my Razer Nostromo for playing GW2.

I do wonder, however, how they can stay in business if they lose money on all their products. That doesn't sound good. I want them to stay in business! They make such pretty toys!

Posted:2 years ago


Tim Carter Designer - Writer - Producer

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Now, if only we could get "game people" interested in investing in games for the same reason...

You know: to do something meaningful... not just to crank out money like you're selling hot dogs.

Posted:2 years ago


Tim Carter Designer - Writer - Producer

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Now, if only we could get "game people" interested in investing in games for the same reason...

You know: to do something meaningful... not just to crank out money like you're selling hot dogs.

Posted:2 years ago

It's funny to read this, as someone who's bought razer peripherals for years. Between 5 different versions of my Lycosa keyboards and countless middle-of-the-road gaming mice from these guys, I finally gave it up as a lost cause and a product line that rarely justifies its price tags.

If you can't make money on mediocre gaming mice for 70 USD or so, then it's got to be corporate mismanagement on a large scale. You can get 10 USD mice on ebay direct from China that to my careful eye have the same build quality as some of your mice.

I guess I'm jaded, but this news is not endearing to me at all--it makes me think either it's a blatant lie or that Razer is the stupidest company ever to grace the gaming peripheral marketplace.

Posted:A year ago


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