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Fils-Aime gives "meh" to PS4, Xbox One launch lineups

Fils-Aime gives "meh" to PS4, Xbox One launch lineups

Thu 29 Aug 2013 2:17pm GMT / 10:17am EDT / 7:17am PDT
Hardware

Nintendo of America president unimpressed with the competition, says Wii U offers superior games, value

Analysts have been saying the upcoming holidays will be crucial in determining the long-term success of the Wii U. Despite the attention being commanded by Sony and Microsoft for their new systems, Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime told IGN he's been unimpressed with the competition.

"It's all about the games," Fils-Aime said. "The competitive systems have announced their launch lineups. I'm allowed to say 'Meh.' I look at our lineup of titles and I feel good about our lineup. We've got Zelda. We've got Mario. We've got Donkey Kong. In addition to great titles like Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101, I feel very good about our lineup, and I feel very good about the value proposition we're putting out there for the consumer."

The executive also downplayed the impact of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One's new feature sets like PS4-Vita cross-play or cloud computing.

"We've got cloud technology that we're delivering with Wii U," Fils-Aime said. "Nintendo TVii is all cloud-based technology. But the difference is, we don't talk about the tech. We talk about the experience. We make sure that the consumer has fun with the game experiences that we provide. And so I think as you compare and contrast Nintendo with other players in the space, for us it's about games, about the fun, about the entertainment value, and not about the tech."

22 Comments

Jim Perry
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Comparing the 47th versions of Zelda, Mario, and Donkey Kong to the lineups on Xbox One and PS4 and saying the latter are "meh", meaning the former are better?!? Whatever he's smoking must be really good! :\

Posted:7 months ago

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Andreas Gschwari
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For their core audience, he is probably right. But other than that it will remain to be seen. Visually obviously next gen will be far ahead, but it remains to be seen how innovative some of the new games will be. I feel that outside of the core audience of nintendo, franchises like Titanfall and Destiny among others will have a bigger draw than Mario and Zelda.

Posted:7 months ago

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Pete Thompson
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Hmmm, When a competitors soon to be released console outsells your already released offering that's suffering flagging sales I think i'd be inclined to worry..

As for fun!, The WII-U doesn't have many exclusive IP's that would tempt a gamer away from an Xbox 360 or PS3, let alone the soon to be released XO or PS4, and unless you're so young that you have to get your parents to buy your games for you then I don't think that Zelda,Mario or Donkey Kong is an impressive lineup of games at all, to me that lineup is old, stale, and (I'm allowed to say it also) just "meh".

Saying "for us it's about games, about the fun, about the entertainment value, and not about the tech." is all he can say when their latest console is destined to soon to be seen as old tech (Yet again) when the Xbox ONE & PS4 are released. Maybe Nintendo should stop flogging the same tired franchises to death and try to expand their target market to "gamer's" with a fresh list of IP's..

Of course, this is just my own opinion...

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Pete Thompson on 29th August 2013 4:33pm

Posted:7 months ago

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Kevin Patterson
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What else is he going to say? He can't come out and say yeah those Xbox One and PS4 games look rather dandy don't they.
Nintendo has to be concerned! Their current base will eat up the newest Mario, Smash bros, and Zelda games but will everyone else bite? My guess is that any gamer on the fence about buying a Wii-u might be more inclined, but with the latest next gen systems releasing this fall, many who might have bought it will be buying a PS4 or Xbox One instead.

It will be interesting watching it all play out. I'm thinking once the Wii-u hits $249 or under, then it will take off.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Kevin Patterson on 29th August 2013 4:56pm

Posted:7 months ago

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Patrick Frost
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Only slightly hypocritical isn't it Reggie?

Posted:7 months ago

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Jim Webb
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So the media asks a company executive about their lineup compared to the competition and the media is surprised he sides with his own company's lineup?

Posted:7 months ago

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Greg Wilcox
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@Jim: Heh - I can't think of a time when some suit from any game company said a lot of good things about the competition, so expecting it to start now (and with Reggie of all people) is a bit odd. I think I'd keel over if I ever read someone from one company say they own another console they don't make and enjoy the games they've played on it...

Posted:7 months ago

#7

Tim Ogul
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He's right, where are the slightly tweaked ports of year-old Xbox and Ps3 games that the WiiU launched with? Microsoft and Sony are really dropping the ball by only having brand new AAA games in their line-ups.

Posted:7 months ago

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Adam Campbell
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PS4 and Xbox One launch titles are nothing special, but the WiiU was probably worse. A launch line up compared to what WiiU will offer this year probably isn't the best comparison either.

Posted:7 months ago

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Andreia Quinta
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I feel that outside of the core audience of nintendo, franchises like Titanfall and Destiny among others will have a bigger draw than Mario and Zelda.
I'd dare think ahead and ask, what legacy will those games leave to the industry but to serve as cannon fodder to the 7th generation machines for a decade or so?
Will we be talking of Destiny, Titanfall, Knack or Killzone in 25 years time like we do Mario & Zelda? Obviously not every game has to be or will be a hit and leave a permanent mark on the industry, but downplaying successful IP's just because it's its 38th iteration? People ask for more Mario and more Zelda, so why not then.

I don't recall anyone ever asking for a Killzone 2 since the first one was pretty low standard anyway. Yet they kept making the damn things up to even now with the PS4 like it was the best thing since cake. At least Nintendo hits the keys right.

Posted:7 months ago

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Paul Jace
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Will we be talking of Destiny, Titanfall, Knack or Killzone in 25 years time like we do Mario & Zelda?
Titanfall and Destiny? Probably. Knack and Killzone? People aren't even talking about those now.

Posted:7 months ago

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Tim Ogul
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Will we be talking of Destiny, Titanfall, Knack or Killzone in 25 years time like we do Mario & Zelda?
Probably not, but we'll probably be talking about them more this fall, when they go on sale. Conversely, in 25 years will we be talking about The slightly enhanced remake of that game we'd played thirty five years ago, or will we be talking about Ocarina and Link to the Past? Will we be talking about that Mario game that added the classic cat suit, or about Super Mario Bros and Mario 64? Yes, Nintendo is offering updates to classic franchises, but the updates themselves are not ridiculously compelling. If they didn't have the pedigree of being a Mario or Zelda game, they'd barely get noticed.

Posted:7 months ago

#12

Christopher Ingram
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Blacklight: Retribution, PlanetSide 2, Doki-Doki Universe, DriveClub, ResoGun, War Thunder and Warframe are all going to be on the PS4 this year Reggie. Oh, and let's not forget that these titles are free to play too.

In all seriousness, his comments were only what is to be expected, for the most part. Though, I have to admit that I think it comes off a little too cocky, seeing how the Wii U line-up isn't nearly as great (in my opinion) as some crowds are playing it up to be. Super Mario 3D World looks like an interesting title, but what looks to be an incredible multiplayer offering only being available in local multiplayer only is severely disappointing and makes me leery about Nintendo's future AAA titles to come on the console.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Christopher Ingram on 30th August 2013 2:07am

Posted:7 months ago

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Rick Lopez
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Zelda, Mario and Donkey Kong are proven franchises that work and sell. I wonder what Legacy Titan Fall and Destiny will leave in the next 25 years. Yes I plan to get a PS4, but Zelda and mario can exist alongside Destiny anyday. The existence of those games doesnt make me enjoy Nintendo games any less. And one thing Nintendo games do have that these other games with big set pices and AAA production dont have is replay value. I will constantly go back to an old Nintendo game to replay. I mean I really dont know many people who play call of duty 3 or the first modern warfare, once the new iteration of call of duty comes out, the previouse one is forgotten. So i wouldnt count Nintendo out. I think reggie first off and foremost is simply speaking in favor of the company he works for and second, Nintendo has a sturdy collection of proven IP's that they can fall back on. There problem is that they havent been churning out enough of it. Even the lesser known franchises, like F-Zero, Starfox, Waverace.... they are all fun. !080 can give any snowboarding game a run for its money, problem is we havent seen those games come out in a long time. So what I see now is that they are trying to push as many units of hardware that they can, in order to have more people to deliver software to. And maybe withholding some of it now is a prudent choice until enough units are in peoples hands and the 2DS and hardware price drops seem to be setting up something else that is bigger... like new software.

Posted:7 months ago

#14

Alfonso Sexto
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"It's all about the games. I look at our lineup of titles and I feel good about our lineup"

That is the problem; he feels good about it when the important thing is that THE P(L)AYERS feel good about it.

And how do they feel about it? here is a clue:
PlayStation Vita - 11,507 (19,363)
Wii U - 7,030 (12,047)
(From this week's charts)

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Alfonso Sexto on 30th August 2013 10:03am

Posted:7 months ago

#15

Alfonso Sexto
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@andreas
Their core audience (at least among my friends in Spain and Germany) they all have a 360.

Posted:7 months ago

#16

Daniel Hughes
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@ Alfonso

As inane as Reggie's comments are, using Wii U's current sales as proof that future titles won't sell the platform doesn't make any sense at all.

At this point I wish they'd just keep Reggie quiet, unless he's talking from a carefully written script. Nintendo don't need to trash talk Microsoft and Sony, they need to explain why Wii U is worth buying, and Reggie certainly hasn't done a great job of that.

Posted:7 months ago

#17

Christian Slater
DevilBliss Games Consultancy

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"Their current base will eat up the newest Mario, Smash Bros, and Zelda games"

I'm not sure that this historically pretty safe assumption is a given any more though. If these titles under-perform on the WiiU (and fail to ignite hardware sales in parallel), there's only really Kart, Pokemon and Metroid left to save it.

Posted:7 months ago

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Jim Webb
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Alfonso, did you just use the Japanese sales charts to discredit the lineup/sales for the US territory?

You do know the Wii U is outselling the Vita in the US, don't you?

Posted:7 months ago

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Caleb Hale
Journalist

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Unless Reggie is going to personally buy about 500K Wii U units and copies of Super Mario 3D World, how he feels about Nintendo's holiday lineup won't mean anything to the company's bottom line. No one is going to gain any valuable insight in asking the company execs about competing companies' products. It's a largely useless sport in video game journalism.

Posted:7 months ago

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Jim Webb
Executive Editor/Community Director

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No one is going to gain any valuable insight in asking the company execs about competing companies' products. It's a largely useless sport in video game journalism.
Agreed.

I can't think of many other industries where the media asks an exec how they feel about the competition's products.

I wonder if the automotive media ever asks the head of Mercedes how they feel about the upcoming BMW's?
Does People Magazine ever ask NBC about CBS's fall lineup?
Does Hollywood ever ask Sony Pictures about this years movie releases by MGM?

Posted:7 months ago

#21

Alfonso Sexto
Lead Tester

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@Jim
No, I used as an example of how they are loosing terrain in their homeland compared to a portable machine from the competitors that is known for not doing so hot in general (Forgot to add that those are Japanese charts, sorry).

What they need is games. They are missing that because of a big lack of 3rd party support. And what Nintendo does? Announce the Nintendo 2DS. Makes no sense.

Also, of course Reggie is going to side with his company. But you know; Microsoft congratulated Naughty Dog for "The Last of Us", A Sony representative asked Microsoft if he could check Kinekt in the E3 two (or three) years ago. There is room for respect in the industry between the constant competition. So answering whit "Meh" and saying "I'm happy"! when you fans are actually not, well... I expected more from him.

Posted:7 months ago

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