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Microsoft announces the Xbox One

Microsoft announces the Xbox One

Tue 21 May 2013 6:00pm GMT / 2:00pm EDT / 11:00am PDT
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The new Xbox aims to make the living room "simple, instant, and complete"; coming this year

At its press event today, Microsoft revealed the official name of the system previously code-named Durango: the Xbox One. The centerpiece of the new Xbox experience is a connected living room.

"Can we take what you love, and make it better?" said Microsoft president of Interactive Entertainment Business Don Mattrick. "We had a new mission: Design and build an all-in-one system to light up a new generation of games, TV, and entertainment. It must be simple, instant, and complete."

The system's UI looks much like the current Xbox 360 dashboard, but the primary thrust of the presentation was instant switching between different types of content, all via an new Kinect with improved voice commands. Microsoft senior vice president of the Online Audience Yusuf Mehdi showed off using Kinect voice commands to change between games, live television, and movies. Microsoft services like Internet Explorer and Skype made an appearance in the presentation, in addition to a new Snap feature, which puts two different types of content side-by-side.

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The all-in-one entertainment experience

Mehdi also showed off additional content for live television programming, showing ESPN-driven stats and information on top of a basketball game.

"This is the beginning of truly intelligent TV," said Mehdi.

Microsoft's Marc Whitten then took the stage to detail the hardware powering Xbox One. The system features an 8-core CPU, 8 GB of RAM, a Blu-Ray disc drive, 500 GB hard drive, USB 3.0, Gigabit Ethernet, Wi-Fi, and HDMI In/Out. Whitten promised that the system would have "practically silent operation", unlike its predecessor.

The Xbox One is based on three operating systems in one. The first is an improved Xbox operating system, featuring the "best of Xbox". The second is a Windows 8 kernel, bring the system closer to Microsoft's flagship operating system and growing ecosystem. The third operating system connects both systems together.

The new Kinect has a 1080p wide-angle camera, running at 30 frames-per-second in full color with a brand-new microphone array. A Kinect will be included with every system. The Kinect can even detect small wrist movements.

"When you're exercising, it can read your heartbeat," said Whitten.

The Xbox One controller has 40 design changes, according to Whitten. The controller features new ergonomics, new "dynamic impulse" triggers with built-in feedback, and a new directional pad. Xbox Smart Glass is also a big part of the Xbox One, with Whitten explaining that the companion service has been downloaded 10 million times already.

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"We're taking the world's best controller and making it even better," added Whitten. "The real magic is what happens when all of these devices work together to create all new experiences."

Xbox Live is also making the transition over to Xbox One, bringing over all your current achievements over to a "more powerful, more personal and more intelligent" experience. The new Xbox Live stores your games, game saves, music, and movies in the cloud. Like the PlayStation 4's Share feature, the Xbox One has a built-in game DVR, allowing players to record and upload scenes from their favorite games.

"Playing games is brought to a whole new level. Just imagine... you will now have a dedicated gaming DVR to share your moments," said Whitten.

The conference event was light on games, as Microsoft is planning to showoff the Xbox One's software lineup at E3 2013. There was an announcement for Forza Motorsport 5, the latest iteration of Microsoft's car racing rival to Sony's Gran Turismo series. Forza 5 is expected at launch for Xbox One.

EA Sports came to the show with four titles for Xbox One, all based on its new Ignite engine: Madden 25, FIFA 14, NBA Live 14, and the new UFC game. EA Sports executive vice president Andrew Wilson also confirmed that FIFA 14 would have exclusive content for Xbox One.

Alan Wake developer Remedy premiered Quantum Break, which looks to blend gameplay and live-action content into a single experience. Finally, Activision and Infinity Ward showed off Call of Duty: Ghosts, with Microsoft retaining its previous Call of Duty deal for early downloadable content.

Mattrick confirmed at the conference that the Xbox One would be launching "later this year", but no specific date or system price was given.

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Greg Wilcox Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

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The name... stinks. Google Xbox One and you get a few thousand original Xbox links... well, for now. I wanted to see GAMES, not services, so I'm disappointed that it was mostly teasers and a Call of Duty finale. The game looks great, though, but I'm FPS'd out.

Posted:A year ago

#1

Paul Jace Merchandiser

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The name didn't make sense at first but near the end it's explained that it's short for all-in-one. Still, they should have went with Xbox Infinity or something like that.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Paul Jace on 21st May 2013 7:07pm

Posted:A year ago

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Rick Lopez Illustrator, Graphic Designer

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Watch This: http://youtu.be/9ekOtn7L1N0

Short Version:-------------------Im just gonna go on and say how I felt. As a gamer I did not feel wowed. If your a sports fan it pretty much has alot to offer and if your interested in stuff other than gaming, it has a whole bunch of smart features. However I truely doubt its as easy for the the average person to use as they say. Especially if your disabled or a small kid or have lots a kids. God forbid you get a cold and lose your voice. Between voice commands, hand gestures and different connections needed and all devices intertwined together it can be messy. I dont think the use of a remote control is that much of a nightmare as they claim to be. The technology is impressive though. While PS4 is a very focused machine, The Xbox1 is not. It wants to do everything and not everyone will want to use all its features at the same time. I dont see myself watching a movie talking on skype and browsing the web at the same time. I can barely keep my attention on a movie while on the phone. I doubt all these swinging arms, body movements, hand gestures and voice commands is easier then pushing a button on a remote. The idea is nice, the technology is impressive, right out of s Sci Fi film... but what worries me is the execution and wether i will ever use most of these features. After watching this I kind of miss my remote control. Finally the idea of having a camera on device thats always online... creeps me out.

Oh and what happens if a person speaks slovanian, russian or speaks a wierd english accent???? they cant use the Xbox, i mean... how many languages does it understand???? lots of people in my family speak spanish so whats up with that can it understand spanish... "Encender Xbox" (Xbox On) or "Prender mi Xbox"(Xbox On) or "ir al canal de SyFy"(Go to SyFy Channel)

Through all this I havent compared the PS4 to the Xbox1 all that much, I dont even want to go there. But I dont think I need to. Xbox has gone from 360 to 1... good move microsoft. You wanna control your living room so much its as if the living room controlled you.

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The name stinks, however it fits with the idea of the system, however Infinity Sounded better as in a system with no limits.

The kinect and voice command features really didnt impress me. I dont think its gonna be easy for average people to use, especially kids and people with disabilities.

If your a sports game fan, the this is probably the place to be.

However they never mentioned wether the Xbox had to be always online and didnt go to deep into the system architecture. this conference failed to get me intrigued. The presentations went on forever, and alot of the time I found myself bored. In my head I would just be telling myself "get to the friggen point already."

As a gamer there wasnt much I was interested in, a partnership with the NFL and HALO TV series. Spielbirg is the last person Id want to see involved.

And as a gamer I was just left with a bunch of sports game a racing game, a game called "quantum break" that featured mostly live action footage and Call of Duty 4, which is really just a call of duty with better graphics.

I was hoping for presentations of some new IP and most of the technology and features presented were not really geared towards games.

My impression its just a really souped up TVO/cable box that can play games.

Point is I just dont have the same feeling I had with the PS4 presentation. I wasnt wowed and as a gamer i just had an empty feeling. I was like "Ok fine it can do all this, but whats in it for me."

It doesnt even feel like a gaming console.

Am i wrong to feel this way?

Let me know what you guys think.

Cost is a concern, sure it has all these features, but frankly, for $8 dollars I can have Netflix and pretty much watch most of the stuff i want to watch. From any device. And from what it seems the device is going to have to be connected. They did very little to clear that up, and finally they didnt go down to deep into the hardware specs like SONY did.

My money is still on the PS4 flipping channels with a remote isnt such a nightmare as they claim it to be. And i dont feel like waving my hands and arms just to do a simple thing that I can do by pushing a button.

Edited 12 times. Last edit by Rick Lopez on 22nd May 2013 4:08pm

Posted:A year ago

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Greg Wilcox Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

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Agreed, especially given the whole "it's the ONLY system you'll EVER need!" vibe throughout the conference...

Posted:A year ago

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Tim Carter Designer - Writer - Producer

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I am so sick of console wars.

Yet ANOTHER box that... if you only get rid of all your other boxes... becomes the one box to serve all your needs.

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Tim Carter Designer - Writer - Producer

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Also, the notion that hardware is all you need wipes out the basic reality that it's core creative... and the games those people make... that is what matters.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Tim Carter on 21st May 2013 7:28pm

Posted:A year ago

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Jess Kappeler Game Designer, Pipeworks Software

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Anyone else think that Xbox One sounds more like the name of a low calorie soda?

Posted:A year ago

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Nelsun Rivera Mixed Media

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I expected more. Let's see what E3 brings to the table. Sony and MS seem generally on par now with these new systems. The GAMES will determine the outcome.

Posted:A year ago

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Kevin Clark-Patterson Lecturer in Games Development, Lancaster and Morecambe College

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Looks interesting but with all the 'entertainment' talk will this replace my Sky+ box, who knows? Looking forward to seeing 'some' game footage at E3...

Posted:A year ago

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Kevin Clark-Patterson Lecturer in Games Development, Lancaster and Morecambe College

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Looks interesting but with all the 'entertainment' talk will this replace my Sky+ box, who knows? Looking forward to seeing 'some' game footage at E3...

Posted:A year ago

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Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

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GI.biz seems to be quite a bit behind Wired... Nothing here about the second-hand game "activation fee" rumour?

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Morville O'Driscoll on 21st May 2013 7:46pm

Posted:A year ago

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Steve Peterson West Coast Editor, GamesIndustry.biz

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Microsoft is clearly expecting that the non-gaming features of the Xbox One are going to be important to selling the console, given the time they devoted to talking about them. Games are clearly important, but it's obvious Microsoft expects features like TV control and Skype calls will help sell this box to people that aren't as interested in games.

Of course, the elephant in all of these rooms will be pricing, which we may not know for months. The appeal of both the PS4 and the Xbox One will owe something to the pricing. Either would be extremely appealing at $299; less so at $399; and a tough sell at $499. We still don't know everything that will be included with either console, too, which could change the equation.

Posted:A year ago

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Adam Campbell Associate Producer, Miniclip Ltd

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The entertainment features are a natural evolution of the consoles, especially now they have some of the biggest userbases for popular entertainment services (if not THE biggest). We all know it can play games, but the entertainment features are going to make it stand out as a living room device.

As for the games, it makes a change to know that Microsoft have a lot more going on in-house and in terms of platform exclusives compared to before. Now the hardware is out the way, we can focus on the line-up.

Posted:A year ago

#13
Own the home, forget the game.

Okay Sony, your starter for ten!

Posted:A year ago

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Ruud Van De Moosdijk VP of Development, Engine Software

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Not impressed. The name clearly is poorly chosen, and even though I am interested to see how well it will work, I am hearing a lot of "exciting new features" that hardly anyone will care about.

Posted:A year ago

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Kevin Hoque Programmer, The Creative Assembly

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It's the only system you'll ever need because once it's in your front room there won't be room for even a broom :D

Posted:A year ago

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Martin Parker Studying BSc (Hons) Computer Games Programming, University of Derby

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*Speculation*
As A British consumer I look forward to having one more way to access Sky TV and paying for both it and whatever price Xbox Live Gold costs to access a core feature of the new system, assuming that there will even be the possibility of accessing the Live TV features. Apart from that: as A poor student, maybe, possibly being able to code, live test and publish to the indie marketplace from the console could be good... If VS can be accessed from the version of Windows, after all Microsoft is known for making good Dev tools.

Posted:A year ago

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Robert Tsao Game Designer, Bad Juju Games

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As a gamer, I agree with a lot of comments here in that I was also disappointed by the lack of games being shown at the event. However, with E3 around the corner, I think Microsoft had to frame their reveal differently from Sony's back in February (I believe). Seems like they're doing a one-two reveal: show the console and its capabilities first, tease the games, and then roll out the actual games and new IPs they're promising at E3.

I could be reading this wrong, though. Those rumors of Microsoft being "six months behind" aren't corroborated, but if they are indeed true, it'll be an embarrassment for them come June.

Posted:A year ago

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Temi Web design

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Let me just say, I called it. This is why EA is doing away with online pass. The next consoles will have features to take the blame off them

Posted:A year ago

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Todd Weidner Founder, Big Daddy Game Studio

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Im old school, I want my phone to be a good phone, my tv to be a good tv, and my gaming system to focus and play great games.

This one ring to rule them all mentality is really getting on my nerves.

I dont need my toaster making cofee and skyping.

Posted:A year ago

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The whole HDMI input thing confuses me. Ok, so I can *probably* record a HDMI stream. So what - is this the big selling point? I don't have cable, and this thing does NOT have a digital tuner (right?)?

So what's the point of being able to input a single HDMI channel into this thing - someone please explain...

As for the rest... the name is confusing, and is going to be a nightmare to use to search on the web. Using "One" will NOT work, so its always going to have to be "Xbox One" (or XO? lol...). And where are the games? Surely they should show something?

15 exclusives is actually very, very little. Either they are all multi-platform, or there isn't that much ready for the next-gen consoles yet.

The specs are super-vague ... meaning its probably not as powerful as the PS4, but Microsoft don't want anyone to know that. The average person will see "8GB of RAM, 8 Cores" and say its the same.

By far the biggest disappointment is the lack of backwards compat. I can barely believe they did it - 360 owners will have to THROW AWAY their entire 360 & XBOX Live SW collections, and start from scratch.

And Kinect is a turn-off for me, anyway I look at it. And if this thing is always "active", it has no place in my living room. I don't trust ANY big organisation to not misbehave when it literally is "always watching".

All in all, disappointed but mostly surprised that the reveal was so light on content. Sony has my vote for now, but I worry if they can deliver.

EDIT: Just had a thought... people can support backwards-compat, by having the 360 there as well - and plugged into the One via HDMI. Wonder if One controllers will work on a 360, or visa-versa ... lol... :)

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Michael Shamgar on 21st May 2013 9:00pm

Posted:A year ago

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Greg Wilcox Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

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Well, as I posted elsewhere, that One better have a REAL "On" button or any mute gamer will pass on it no matter how "cool" the tech is.

I dunno, all this wishing for a holodeck in the home is meaningless if it truly doesn't serve EVERY gamer type, not just the wealthy geeks who want all those buy-in services (whee, too much NFL"interactivity" and a Halo TV series? Uh... right).. Maybe science FICTION should stay where it's at in some cases. I just want to play good games at the end of the day, not wave my hands or yell at my TV and pretend it's magic because it's doing something it's been programmed to do...

Posted:A year ago

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Klaus Preisinger Freelance Writing

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Finally, UI integrated peer pressure. Just what i imagined the Utopian future would be like. You might think you can give your Xbox orders, but wait for the 2014 update, when the Xbox is starting to order you around Hal-9000 style:

Do you want to watch CSI?
All your friends and colleagues are watching CSI.
I am now turning on CSI.
Why are you turning away from the screen?
If you do not watch CSI, you will be alone.
And there will be nobody watching CSI with you.
Please put down the Lemon grenade, Dave.
It is against Gamestop policy to buy back console damaged by lemon grenades.
and there will be no more CSI.

Posted:A year ago

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Caleb Hale Journalist

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Microsoft knew its audience was mainstream media as much as gaming media with today's announcement. That's why Xbox One came out of the gate first with TV and then with music and sports, wrapping them all up in this easy, interactive package that works with your existing TV and/or cable/satellite service. The buzz it generates will be more relevant to the wider public, more so than Sony's PlayStation 4 which introduced itself with more esoteric game developer speak.

Before anyone gets too excited though, keep in mind both Microsoft and Sony are just beginning their conversations about their respective consoles. They need to start these conversations in different ways, either to address past demons (in Sony's case) or keep themselves understandable to a more mainstream audience (in Microsoft's case).

Both companies have given us a compelling introduction to the next generation. E3 will reveal what's sure to be a healthy lineup of cross-platform and exclusive games for each box. Considering neither console has a listed price or pre-orders up for grabs, there's really no need to render a final decision just yet.

Posted:A year ago

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Greg Wilcox Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

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@Andreas: you're missing a big point here. PC and Steam don't play Xbox or PS3 games (unless they're cross-platorm titles). Right now, Microsoft isn't impressing anyone who doesn't buy into the new magic box they're pushing. I wish them luck, but I think they're making a major mistake by shutting people out who have money to spend and want something new that caters to their needs, not something that tells them what they can do with it.

Also, this only way out suggestion to just tell anyone who isn't happy with a console's business model to "use Steam" when they have a shitty home connection, hates being always online and hell, likes his or her privacy just doesn't wash.

Sorry, but I'll bet a penny that killing the simple joy of off plug and play in favor of the magical clap-on/clap off Kinect "cloud" wonderbox is going to see a LOT of people drop out of console gaming altogether. Some will go to mobile 9and probably already have) and some will go back to old consoles, but not everyone will embrace this enforced evolution, no matter how much chocolate it's dipped into.

Posted:A year ago

#25

Michael Vandendriessche Studying Computer Science, K.U. Leuven

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I didn't look at it as a pure game console. I looked at it as a Microsoft device and was pleasantly surprised. Everyone here knows (or should know) that Xbox is not supposed to be a pure game console. It's an entertainment device. Playstation does many of those things to but is primarily a game console. I'm not surprised by the lack of games so close to E3. 15 exclusives sounds a lot.
It's very US-centric but the ideas are definitely cool. I like the integration of the fantasy football thing and the Triple OS ecosystem. All very cool and interesting. I doubt I'll get one, but it was more interesting than I expected.

Posted:A year ago

#26

Paul Smith Dev

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Who ever green-lit the name should be fired, who ever made it look like a betamax/vcr should also be fired and for the Americans here is FOOTBAWL really that big of a deal? If E3 is anything like that I think im gonna have to get drunk before it starts.

Posted:A year ago

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Yiannis Koumoutzelis Founder & Creative Director, Neriad Games

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It is interesting how about half of the people participating in the conversation are so much ready to jump on the negativity wagon. It almost reminds me of one of these consumer forums.

This could mean 2 things:
A. Either Microsoft has not done its consumer research and created something irrelevant that nobody sees the benefit of.

B. Many have lost touch with the reality and evolution path of home entertainment enough to sound shortsighted.

In order to understand the philosophy behind the design, instead of jumping into conclusions i highly recommend reading the wired exclusive and very detailed coverage and if you are not much into reading watch the design related video. It will tell you a lot about why it looks the way it does and what is the core concept.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one/

Posted:A year ago

#28

Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

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Odd seeing the dismay at lack of backwards compatability. Sure, it sucks, but this is what the console generations are, and have been since the 80s. No-one (really) complained when they couldn't play NES games on the SNES, or Saturn games on the Dreamcast, so why complain now? Surely, if people really wanted to play the older games they bought and played 3/4/5 years ago, they would have bought a PC and the PC version of the game (assuming it wasn't an exclusive, of course). Core gamers know that backwards compat is something that's very rare in console gaming.

The people that this is going to burn are the casuals, who assume that because it's got the XBox name, it'll play all the old games; and, to be honest, casual gamers who already own an XBox don't appear to be MS's target market right now.

Edited 2 times. Last edit by Morville O'Driscoll on 21st May 2013 10:28pm

Posted:A year ago

#29

Paul Smith Dev

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The question is WHO is Microsoft's target market? Dudebro's?

Posted:A year ago

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Greg Wilcox Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

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@Moreville: which is why companies like Hyperkin and others who make multi-console 8 and 16-bit systems are still in business, right? To slightly correct your history, Sega DID make a Master System to Genesis converter, there were first and third party solutions (Game Boy Player, assorted Action Replay + hack combos) for nearly every console (save for a Saturn emulator for the Dreamcast thanks to that system having COMPLETELY different innards and no one figuring out how to hack it (as far as I know). Not to mention the emulation scene that's made most games playable on modern PC's for those willing to dip into that grey area...

Microsoft tried to blow BC off in the early days of the 360 by saying "well, no one PLAYS those games" , but ended up supporting some key Xbox games because guess what? People still wanted to PLAY them. That or hey, guess what started showing up in bargain bins? A shitload of cheap new/sealed Xbox games... but not so many new Xboxes, as the supply was drying up. BC is needed at least as an OPTION because as you noted, some simply will not know and while you can call them dumb for their ignorance, it would help if they had at LEAST a modicum of support, especially as I can see this being a(nother) PR problem outside these industry sites...

And again, another wrong assumption that a PC can replace a console to those gamers who aren't up to buying one off the rack and setting it up? Not going to wash at all, sorry. Also, as far as I know Xbox 360 games are still being made, so why the hell shouldn't they run on a new system? Trying to tell someone who might want a $99 system that "Oh, by the way, this game you're buying will be obsolete by the end of the year" is kind of lame (and expecting too much of certain consumers who don't or can't replace their consoles when a company wants them to, PERIOD.

Posted:A year ago

#31

Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

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@ Greg

And how many of those backwards compatibility devices were first-party and released right at the start of a console's life?
Not to mention the emulation scene that's made most games playable on modern PC's for those willing to dip into that grey area...
Indeed, but my argument wasn't that people didn't want to play those games, but that that kind of support is relatively rare from the actual manufacturer of the console. It could be argued, actually, that it is entirely against their business practices. One of the reasons to release a new console is to sell more hardware, and consequently newer versions of the perennials, like sports games. Release a backwards compatible device, and you may sell the hardware, but the newer software titles will be ignored in favour of the games all your mates are playing, that were bought second-hand for the older hardware.
Trying to tell someone who might want a $99 system that "Oh, by the way, this game you're buying will be obsolete by the end of the year" is kind of lame (and expecting too much of certain consumers who don't or can't replace their consoles when a company wants them to, PERIOD.
Yup, I entirely agree with you. And yet, that's what companies in this industry do. Can my girlfriend's Virtual Console games on the Wii be moved across to a WiiU? I don't think they can. Can the PS3 play PS2 games? Can the WiiU play GameCube games? You can quote all the random third-party devices you want, but the changing architecture of console gaming means that people do end up selling (or throwing away) their old systems and games. Games which cost them hard-earned cash.

I didn't mean to sound cold-hearted up there, it just kind of confuses me that people expect something pro-consumer from an industry that, generally speaking, is so anti-consumer it's laughable.

Posted:A year ago

#32

Mariusz Kowalski 2D/3D artist, researcher

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That's being a bit disingenious there Morville, as the WiiU is backward compatible with the Wii, and the Wii was backward compatible with the Gamecube. Why try to prove your point by saying the WiiU isn't backward compatible with a system several generations earlier? Noone is expecting backward compatibility with something a decade earlier, but what's the problem having it for a system that is just being replaced? Furthermore the first PS3's DID have backward compatibility with the PS2 which assisted in an orderly transition. Later revisions didn't need it as much as those systems were mostly bought by people that didn't have a PS2 and it wasn't cost effective. Also the PS3 does still have PS1 backwards compatibility.

So it seems that all last gen systems had backwards compatibility with at the very systems they were replacing to some extent or another, at least in the earlier revisions of the consoles when this feature would be most welcome, thus nullifying your argument.

Posted:A year ago

#33

Sam Spain Studying computer Science (Games Development), The University of Hull

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Fee for using preowned games, mandatory install, needs connection once a day, fee for playing online or using Xbox Live services, huge system, limited capacity hard drive, no backwards compatibility.

Unless the exclusives we have yet to see are amazing I don't know why anyone would buy this console. If you want to stick with console gaming the PS4 is there. Even then, the PC is still more of a console than the Xbox One at this point.

I am extremely disappointed.

Posted:A year ago

#34

Greg Wilcox Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

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@Moreville; clearing up some confusion here: In NO way was I laughably suggesting that Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Apple, et cetera give a big horse shit about their consumers. If they did, we'd see less bullshit "This will be your destiny!" Darth Dummy nonsense and some actual listening to what people want and making sure it gets done rather than the whole "we're the ONLY thing you need" nonsense that's making me want to just give up gaming on new consoles entirely and go through the 2000+ games I have here and all the indie-cooked stuff that works outside the hype wheel.

I'm just older (49) and crankier than you because I can see a crash coming when people aren't buying these new toys in the expected droves and the excuses start rolling in blaming game studios and getting people fired because metacritic targets don't get met, a football season is canceled because of a strike, a fire destroys the Halo set or anything else unexpected that a games-only console never really had to worry about.

This eggs in one basket crap is crazy.

Posted:A year ago

#35

Curt Sampson Sofware Developer

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Regarding backwards compatibility, most of you asking for it don't seem to realize the economic implications of what you're demanding.

I'm sure someone at MS asked about backwards compatability. And they swiftly dropped the idea when they were told, "Sure. We can give that to you. Do you want to add an extra $100 to the retail price of every unit, or create a console with close to previous generation power, like the Wii U?"

Posted:A year ago

#36

Tim Ogul Illustrator

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I have to say, I thought the media center stuff was really cool, but I would never pay more than $50 for a device that does that stuff. It's a fun gimmick, nothing more. That doesn't mean I'm against the One, not yet, just that they have yet to sell me. They need to show me what it can do. If they can show me that it's every bit as capable as the PS4 on playing games, and if they ensure that they have the developers lined up to give me those core games I want, and the pricepoint is equal or less than the PS4s, then they have me sold on the "features" they offer over the PS4's, but I wouldn't pay more for it, and I'm not immediately sold on buying anything this fall, instead of just coasting on current hardware for a bit.

Posted:A year ago

#37

Rick Cody PBnGames-Board Member

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It's awesome! It offers a new way to play not, but TV and movies. It seems to encourage new entertainment collaborations in a way PS4 doesn't.

I'm interested to see how many non-gamers adopt this thing. I can see it having a hard time hitting a large user base.

Posted:A year ago

#38

Greg Wilcox Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

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@Curt: That's silly from a purer consumer sense. It wouldn't hurt Microsoft a dime to offer those who want BC the OPTION to (yes, I'm saying this, but hate saying it), BUY some sort of BC download extra as an additional "service" on day one. By avoiding the issue entirely, it's not just going to go away like they think it will. I fully expect the return of "dealwithit" as a response to folks like me who dislike the idea of having to keep a 360 around when this console is supposed to do it all.

Fact: A new system doesn't make ALL "old" games obsolete (especially ones arriving the same year as that new console that SHOULD play on it if you're upgrading and don't have room for another box).

Hell, if they can figure out how to make the damned Kinect 2.0 or whatever it's called know what you're saying and do everything but walk the friggin' goldfish, they can make people pay for a software "downgrade" or whatever they want to imagine it as. I mean, why did they add a Blu-Ray player when EVERYONE (*wink*) streams movies, right?

Posted:A year ago

#39

Greg Wilcox Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

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And to add to my last comment, if DVD's also work on the One, isn't that also allowing even older tech onto the new box? I guess it's ironic or something, but I just fail to see the logic in shutting out 360 games unless it's because they can't charge gamers to play them on the new hardware...

Posted:A year ago

#40

Tim Ogul Illustrator

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I imagine they included the tech that was cheap enough to justify its cost. If they don't have backwards compatibility then it's because the tech needed to play a full 360 game is more expensive to add than they thought was worth it (which a DVD chip is probably pennies these days). I don't believe that they could have made it backwards compatible for almost no cost and just decided not to.

Now that said, it would be cool if they could port some of their greatest hits (especially the new stuff), and offer than as sharply discounted downloadables if you already own the 360 version. I mean, assuming Watch_Dogs is available for the One, but you buy the 360 version in the fall but buy a One in the spring, you could maybe prove ownership and then download the One version for like $10-15. Or if they release an HD-HD version of ME3, and you own the 360 version, you could download the One version for like $10.

Posted:A year ago

#41

Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

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@ Greg
if DVD's also work on the One, isn't that also allowing even older tech onto the new box?
And here Mariusz was saying I was being disingenuous. :p BluRay players play DVDs as standard, I believe, though some of the Region Locking tech might be specific. But it's a neat little insight into other industries - the shift from VHS to DVD meant people had to rebuy their entire collections, but the differences in quality and extras made it an easy upgrade. The shift from DVD to BR has been harder (though helped by the PS3). I wonder how much better the graphics in CoD or the latest Madden game will have to be to convince 360 owners to junk their entire collection, and buy a One.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Morville O'Driscoll on 22nd May 2013 7:55am

Posted:A year ago

#42

Donald Dalley Freelance writer

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XBox One reveal summary:

SNE stock was up 9.5% on the day, while MSFT was slightly down.
Says it all, right there.

Posted:A year ago

#43

Bruce Everiss Marketing Consultant

1,692 594 0.4
This is the ultimate do everything box for the living room that current technology can provide within a reasonable price.
From a gaming point of view it is a fantastic tool on which to play interactive entertainment. The best ever.
Also it integrates fabulously with your Win8 phone, tablet, laptop and PC.
And with Microsoft's pay as you go business model it will be very affordable for vast numbers of people.
So it has the best chance to become an amazing success.
Microsoft have done a fantastic job.

But has the market moved on? Is this what people really want?
You can run your 7 inch tablet on your TV in 1080p then put it in your pocket and use it on the train or in the pub.
And the tablet has far more content available for it than the One does, because it is not a walled garden,
Then every year you can buy the latest, even more powerful, version of your tablet for not a lot of money.

We live in interesting times.

Posted:A year ago

#44

Adam Campbell Associate Producer, Miniclip Ltd

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Greg
@Curt: That's silly from a purer consumer sense. It wouldn't hurt Microsoft a dime to offer those who want BC the OPTION to (yes, I'm saying this, but hate saying it), BUY some sort of BC download extra as an additional "service" on day one. By avoiding the issue entirely, it's not just going to go away like they think it will. I fully expect the return of "dealwithit" as a response to folks like me who dislike the idea of having to keep a 360 around when this console is supposed to do it all.

Fact: A new system doesn't make ALL "old" games obsolete (especially ones arriving the same year as that new console that SHOULD play on it if you're upgrading and don't have room for another box).

Hell, if they can figure out how to make the damned Kinect 2.0 or whatever it's called know what you're saying and do everything but walk the friggin' goldfish, they can make people pay for a software "downgrade" or whatever they want to imagine it as. I mean, why did they add a Blu-Ray player when EVERYONE (*wink*) streams movies, right?
Michael
By far the biggest disappointment is the lack of backwards compat. I can barely believe they did it - 360 owners will have to THROW AWAY their entire 360 & XBOX Live SW collections, and start from scratch.
I'm sorry guys but you're not making any sense.

From an architectural standpoint, asking for backwards compatibility would be a joke. You're either asking for significant extra expense, space and heat to include PowerPC chips alongside the new architecture (in fact it would be far more complex and impractical than the original PS3 trying to carry the emotion engine) or you're asking for Microsoft to use inferior/less effective technology just to keep old games going in the face of a competitive market looking for the best in price and form.

Neither make sense from a console manufacturing perspective and it would be a bigger disadvantage to the customer.

I'm not saying you have to like it, tough luck unfortunately, but few consoles in history have had any backwards compatibility. When you have such a significant change in architecture, carrying the old console and its software has to go. Of course, this doesn't rule out a cloud solution as a possible compromise. And if its any consolation, I doubt the manufacturers will drop X86 CPUs in the foreseeable future, so better luck next time.

Edited 2 times. Last edit by Adam Campbell on 22nd May 2013 10:44am

Posted:A year ago

#45

Rick Lopez Illustrator, Graphic Designer

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Im certain both consoles are powerful enough to do backwards compatibility through software emulation.

Posted:A year ago

#46

Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

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Rick, I don't think it's an easy task to emulate PPC on x86 hardware.

Posted:A year ago

#47

Rick Lopez Illustrator, Graphic Designer

1,269 942 0.7
@Jim Webb - I cant speak too much on that end. I do know its difficult to do. But alot of people have managed to run OSX on PC and Windows on a MAC. I feel it can be done if the hardware is powerful enough. However I understand it would be complicated for programers to emulate PPC or CELL chip enviroment on differant processors.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Rick Lopez on 22nd May 2013 3:25pm

Posted:A year ago

#48

Cynthia Gutierrez Student

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I agree the name is kind of lame. i wish i say ACTUAL gameplay like someone demonstrating live on how people are playing the game. Also It doesnt seem any different from the Xbox Kinetic. It just sounded like it was more focused on making a smart TV.

Posted:A year ago

#49

Adam Campbell Associate Producer, Miniclip Ltd

1,183 973 0.8
Im certain both consoles are powerful enough to do backwards compatibility through software emulation.
Sometimes its not just about the abstract concepts of power.

You'd have to emulate PowerPC instruction set, you'd also have to emulate the SIMD instruction sets which are very different, (VMX128 & Cell) vs SSE on the AMD chip - used heavily by games I might say, you'd have to consider the difference in size/depth of the CPU pipelines, different clock frequencies, different approach to multi-core and multi-threading, memory control, differences in the cache, differences in branching.

Then there's the way the games were originally written to take advantage of those specific features, instructions and operations. Of which many will be completely absent from the AMD Jaguar architecture altogether, if not approached in a very different way. In some areas we might not see a 1:1 match in processing power either across the different CPUs and I'm sure Cell would further complicate that.

Sadly, even if there are inventive ways of making the PS4/Xbox One pretend to be their predecessors in software, I don't think the engineers are confident about the performance and results you'll find, considering the sample of factors above. Otherwise, they would be doing it. I'd probably agree the magnitude of difference between the previous and current generation of architecture is enough to say no.

Posted:A year ago

#50

Donald Dalley Freelance writer

52 38 0.7
Im certain both consoles are powerful enough to do backwards compatibility through software emulation.
The PS3 can emulate the first PlayStation console, but those were simpler times. The PS4 may have enough in it to be able to emulate the PS2, by now, but we will have to see if SONY is even interested in going there first. Gaikai may be able to do it on-line and eliminate the need for the console to do it. Doing it that way may also increase their income from reselling old games a second time.

However, the basis for the One to become a one-console-that-does-it-all concept has yet to be proven in the marketplace. This is a gamble I would not bet on. In our family alone, we haven't had TV service, of any kind, for many years. I have heard many other people say the same thing. We just don't have time to watch or do everything that is available on all of the devices we now have, so it was eliminated from our daily consumption. I've built up a library of over 2,000 DVD then Blu-ray movies, so we don't need more entertainment, especially disposable TV crap. There is no way I can justify spending this kind of money on a new TV controller and we have no interest in shooters or major sports. Pfffzzzttt! Who needs a One?

Posted:A year ago

#51

Rick Lopez Illustrator, Graphic Designer

1,269 942 0.7
@Donald Dalley - Me I just like to play video games. So i understand your point. In my house I only have a TV to play video games and netflix. Why does that all of a sudden have to be so hard and have so many restrictions? I Cant go to a friends house to play a game because he will be charged for it. I cant play my game on my nieces console when I visit my parents on the weekend. Now I have to drag my entire console over there. Seriously this is all fucked up.

Posted:A year ago

#52

Donald Dalley Freelance writer

52 38 0.7
I play a certain type of video game, too, but because I crushed a nerve in my right thumb while doing that, I now have to use a different peripheral/controller to protect it from further damage. i wouldn't want to have to drag a console around, plus peripherals, if I ever wanted to play at a friend's house or party.

It seems the same game can be played on one console by other family members, the same as some PS3 games can. At least that is what I read today, but if they enforce rebuying the game all of the time, a lot of group purchases will be made. I haven't seen the constantly logged in function described to know how that works yet.

The expression "Cutting off the nose to spite the face" comes to mind.

Posted:A year ago

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