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Direct X 11.1 exclusive to Windows 8

Direct X 11.1 exclusive to Windows 8

Mon 12 Nov 2012 8:48pm GMT / 3:48pm EST / 12:48pm PST
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Microsoft's latest graphics API only comes on its latest OS

Microsoft has revealed that the latest version of its 3D graphics API, Direct X 11.1, will only be available on the recently-released Windows 8. Direct X 11.1 adds features like native stereoscopic 3D support and extended support for WARP software rasterizers to the platform. The company confirmed the information in a reply on the Visual Studio Developer Center.

“DirectX 11.1 is part of Windows 8, just like DirectX 11 was part of Windows 7. DirectX 11 was made available for Vista, but at this point there is no plan for DirectX 11.1 to be made available on Windows 7,” replied Microsoft principal program manager lead Daniel Moth. “If the plan changes, you can bet we will be blogging about it.”

According to Steam's Hardware & Software survey for October 2012, 50.89 percent of Steam users have Windows 7 and a Direct X 11 GPU.

24 Comments

Matthew Bennett 3D Engine developer, Sitedesk

21 15 0.7
I... no. I was going to say something about this but I am just going to let my wallet do the talking. No matter what they do I am never, ever buying windows 8. The more I read about it the more I am saddened by the route they are taking with their new OS

Posted:A year ago

#1

Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

1,577 1,432 0.9
To be fair, this doesn't change anything. Until the next-gen, DX11 is going to continue to be pushed by only a marginal number of developers and games, and the (what appears to be slight) improvements in DX11 to DX11.1 don't seem to be that significant to gamers.

(To further back this up, have a look at how many DX11 only games there currently are, compared to how many that have DX11 options, and compare that again to how many still use DX9 with no extra options).

Edited 2 times. Last edit by Morville O'Driscoll on 12th November 2012 10:18pm

Posted:A year ago

#2

Pier Castonguay Programmer

189 106 0.6
I understand why DX10 was only available from Vista and higher because of changes they made in the "Windows Display Driver Model" and these change brought new possibilities only for the best, but now it seems as if they want to make the DX11.1 exclusivity only to boost sales, and not because of the underlying technical problems.

edit : I retract my previous comment after reading Wikipedia, I can see they updated to WDDM 1.2 and DXGI 1.2, which in fact made others nice improvements to the driver architecture reducing memory footprints and gaining speed. Keep going Microsoft!

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Pier Castonguay on 12th November 2012 10:36pm

Posted:A year ago

#3

Peter Dwyer Games Designer/Developer

482 293 0.6
@Matthew

I have windows 8 and it's Modern UI is a hell of an improvement on standard windows 7. Having Direct X 11.1 only on windows 8 isn't a big deal and no-one complains when Apple say iOS 6 dev is only supported with this new xCode that only runs on mountain lion now do they.

As a student of computer games you of all people should be embracing the changes and not acting like some industry veteran cynic who is simply too set in their ways to look at the new. For example Windows 8 runs all old apps and games just fine so what's your issue with it as a games developer? Probably the same nonsense issue that Gabe "I'm actually trying to push my own linux based games OS" of Valve has i.e. no real issue at all just a bunch of PR nonsense statements.

Posted:A year ago

#4

Tom Keresztes Programmer

683 335 0.5
Having Direct X 11.1 only on windows 8 isn't a big deal and no-one complains when Apple say iOS 6 dev is only supported with this new xCode that only runs on mountain lion now do they.
To develop Modern UI (Store) apps, you need to be running Windows 8 and Visual Studio 2012. Its quite standard practice that the development tools only run on recent operating systems.

And
Xcode 4.6 Developer Preview requires OS X Mountain Lion or OS X Lion.
My chores with Windows8 on the desktop as an user is that it lacks focus. It remings me of the days of early 90s when every application had its own style of UI, with hotkeys in place instead of proper UI design and lack of software ergonomics. Windows UI is all right for an average user staying only in the modern UI, but for a power user its a step in the wrong direction, as instead of streamlining operations, it forces the user to do more work.
A simple example :In Windows7, do get to disk management was go to administrative tools, then click computer management, and select disk management. Fairly straightforward, you had to activate an icon, then click, click, click. Now in Windows8 you need to hover the mouse in the top right corner, wait till the sidebar shows up (make sure you don't accidentally move the pointer off the screen), click search, type, select, click. Or you can press Windows + X, then select. Both breaks your focus when doing something.

My experience with Windows 8 so far:
- Middle name is displayed in the peoples app, but there is no way to change it (known bug since march)
- No sound after reboot on external speakers with X-Fi
- System restore obviously had no QA, as selecting cancel just leaves you at a blue screen with a Windows logo on it.
- Bad/unrecognized drives makes the system boot very slowly, no indication that anything is wrong, the system just stays on the boot screen with the spinning thing for 5-10 mins.
- Did i say bad? Disks connected to SATA3 ports on my X79 board show up as corrupted, but with the error '... corrupted, but the exact nature of the corruption cannot be determined'. Wow!
- Windows look very confusing, as the pattern of the border matches the inner sides of windows, and when neither of them has focus, is just look a big mess as you cannot make out where one window starts and the other ends.

And just installed it yesterday evening.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Tom Keresztes on 13th November 2012 11:45am

Posted:A year ago

#5

Matt Hewitson Senior QA Technician, Crytek UK

10 5 0.5
@Tom: You can just press windows key and start typing to find applications - the same way you could in Windows 7. There's no need to wait with your mouse to open the sidebar (which is Win + C, btw) or to use Win + X.

Posted:A year ago

#6

Tom Keresztes Programmer

683 335 0.5
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There's no need to wait with your mouse to open the sidebar (which is Win + C, btw) or to use Win + X
I cant access this with only the mouse. So i have to stop using the mouse, press keys, back to the mouse. Breaks focus. Besides how Windows + Q intuitive for search ?

Posted:A year ago

#7

Andrew Animator

148 158 1.1
You can right click the "start button" in the lower left to get some common control panel options. I think computer managment is one of them.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Andrew on 13th November 2012 1:10pm

Posted:A year ago

#8

Matt Hewitson Senior QA Technician, Crytek UK

10 5 0.5
You can access everything with only the mouse, albeit slower - which it is no matter what OS you use. Why would you want to use only the mouse anyway? I can't think of a task where I would consciously think "you know what, this would be better if I did this the slow way". Surely if you are only using the mouse you are breaking focus from whatever you are doing anyway, unless you only interact with Windows using a mouse while working?

Win + Q for search? You can just press the Win key. The search feature in Win8 for applications and settings is the same as Windows 7. You can just start typing for what you want and it appears. Win + Q/W/F switches between the search panes for Apps/Settings/Files (should whatever you are searching for return results from different places).

Posted:A year ago

#9

Pier Castonguay Programmer

189 106 0.6
Tom: Most of your problems seems to be due to bad SATA drivers. It always take a while until motherboard manufacturers get everything right after a new Windows version.

Posted:A year ago

#10

Tom Keresztes Programmer

683 335 0.5
You can access everything with only the mouse, albeit slower - which it is no matter what OS you use.
That is precisely my point. Its slower than in any other desktop OS i've used/using. The OS seems to designed around shortcuts, not WIMP interface with accelerator keys.

Posted:A year ago

#11

Tom Keresztes Programmer

683 335 0.5
take a while until motherboard manufacturers get everything right after a new Windows version.
Windows8 RTM was months ago. And this is an Intel X79 board.
Tried no luck. I have 5 identical drives, one of them does not work in that slot. Absolutely no clue, all of them have one MBR partition. Bought them at the same time in the same order.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Tom Keresztes on 13th November 2012 2:19pm

Posted:A year ago

#12

Tom Keresztes Programmer

683 335 0.5
You can right click the "start button" in the lower left to get some common control panel options. I think computer managment is one of them.
Cheers!

Posted:A year ago

#13

Mihai Cozma Indie Games Developer

124 34 0.3
I'm still running a DX 10.1 video card, haven't got any problem in any game so far.

Posted:A year ago

#14

Brian Lewis Operations Manager, Aeria Games Europe

132 84 0.6
This is not much of an issue.... today.

However, the problem it presents is that it creates an artificial branching of the tree. If you are a developer, you must choose to either support an older version of Direct X (and not receive the advantages of the improvements), or code for a windows 8 (only) base. This means that going forward, it is an either or choice.

Sadly, many games do not yet run smoothly on Windows 8. Yes, I know that they are 'supposed' to work, but they dont. Many games will work out the changes needed, some (mostly older games) will not. Support for windows XP (and DX 9) is going to be removed soon, and ~40% of the market will have to upgrade or become obsolete. If a large portion moves to Windows 8, then this will just be a minor issue. However, should a large portion of the upgrades choose to move to Vista/Win7 then this will be a much bigger problem.

Posted:A year ago

#15

Morville O'Driscoll Blogger & Critic

1,577 1,432 0.9
If a large portion moves to Windows 8, then this will just be a minor issue. However, should a large portion of the upgrades choose to move to Vista/Win7 then this will be a much bigger problem.
In this sense, the problem is already here. How many users of Win7/Vista are there already? Why would they upgrade to Win8 now? If/when support is removed for Vista and 7, then there's a reason for people to migrate to 8, but as it stands 7 has far better compatibility.

Then again, why is this an issue? Developers have long since been adding DX11 support as an optional extra; why shouldn't they continue to support the DX11 base until Win8 has acquired more of an installed base? Or even just add-in support for the 11.1 features now, so their games are future-prooofed.

Posted:A year ago

#16

Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

2,270 2,439 1.1
Well, there goes developer support for DX 11.1.

Posted:A year ago

#17

Tom Keresztes Programmer

683 335 0.5
Feature levels... And 11.1 is going to have optional extensions.

Isnt the original reasoning behing the 10 APi was standardization ?

Posted:A year ago

#18

gi biz ;,pgc.eu

341 51 0.1
Honestly I will never understand why you strive so much for the sake of sticking to a not-so-good product. I don't really care about DX11, openGL is pretty ok and is likely to improve a lot in the future. I don't care about Visual Studio either, I have always used Notepad++ (with the due plugins), kate or vim. Code::Blocks is not that bad either. I choose the editor that better fits my needs in that moment (as opposed to people who clearly prefer the frustration of writing Lua code in Visual Studio to switching any software they already know). As of the desktop, I'm free to choose between Enlightenment, KDE, Unity... and guess what? They play nice with each other and I can uninstall what I don't like and still get a fully functional system. Good luck in removing either of the two desktops from win8.
Imo, if you enjoy win8 all the better for you, cough up the money for the license and have fun with your modern ui. If not, then take a deep breath, gather your courage and take a faith leap into the unknown world of Linux/Mac/BSD/Solaris/Whatever. Even if you are in the first category you might still find out that there exist things you have never seen which are way better than what you knew. Just be honest to yourself, in the end no one cares.

Posted:A year ago

#19

Tom Keresztes Programmer

683 335 0.5
Honestly I will never understand why you strive so much for the sake of sticking to a not-so-good product.
What i dont understand is why is Microsoft trying to get into a segment in which only one company (the fruity one) is successful. HP, Compaq, Dell both only burned themselves on the consumer market.

Posted:A year ago

#20

Kirill Yarovoy Game designer / Narrative designer / Writer

41 5 0.1
Tom, answer is simple: Balmer is an idiot, worst CEO of USA, he ruins Microsoft, Windows, Office and everything they did. He is not the only one, new generation of Microsoft managers grew up from Marketing division (while old managers of ms was from dev divisions, ex programmers) and those guys know nothing about how IT works and what it crowd want, they only trying to copy successful business model of Apple, and they give no crack to the fact, that what they do no is totally retarded downgrade comparing to what they did before. Usability and logic are words that not known to Balmer and other new managers of MS, they are stupid tanks that pushing forward absolutely stupid decisions, ignoring the fact that customers dont like their decisions.
Many gamedevs dont like Win 8, including Gabe from Valve, and stupid decisions of MS is way to push Windows gamers and devs to Ubuntu, thats why Steam is already available for linux, its a backup plan and begining of the end of windows. And exclusive dx 11.1 to Win 8 will repeat the destiny of DX10 which was exclusive to Vista, and Win 8 is yet another Vista, but worse... at least vista had nice looking eye candy design (not that retarded minimalistic cubes that screwed every product of ms now) and start button.
So people mostly will ignore Win 8 and already waiting for Win 9, and its better to have start button and other features back!

Posted:A year ago

#21

Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

2,270 2,439 1.1
#22

gi biz ;,pgc.eu

341 51 0.1
Cool, that will calm down the hysterical reactions of the I-dont-want-to-change-my-habits dudes for the time being \o.o/

Posted:A year ago

#23

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