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GaymerCon wins EA support

GaymerCon wins EA support

Thu 20 Sep 2012 8:09am GMT / 4:09am EDT / 1:09am PDT
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"EA believes that to be truly innovative, you must be inclusive"

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New convention GaymerCon will feature content from publisher EA, after the company has signed on to support the event.

"EA believes that to be truly innovative, you must be inclusive. We are proud to be a part of this event," said Ginger Maseda, head of global diversity and inclusion for EA.

The convention will take place next year, August 3 and 4, in San Francisco. Money for the event was raised on Kickstarter, with 1,531 backers raising $91,389, way over the $25,000 goal.

"EA not only publishes some of the best games in the world, but they're the most progressive company in the industry. We're thrilled and honored to have them involved in GaymerCon," added GaymerCon's Jack DeVries.

EA has spoken out against homophobia in the past, specifically the thousands of letters it received protesting LGBT content in Mass Effect 3 and Star Wars: The Old Republic.

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Paul Jace Merchandiser

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This is a nice move on EA's part and it's good to see they have continued to support the LGBT audience year after year. Now if only some of the other big publishers started to show some support for that part of their audience.

Posted:2 years ago

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Fabio Russo Journalists

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No, NO.

We don't want the same "bla-bla-bla" about gay, about racism, about all this STUFF, also in videogame world!!!

There are only gAmer.

The others are only people who do not love gaming, who do not want to talk about gaming. When you play there are no gay, no sex, no nothing, only YOU and Master Chief, only YOU and Dante, only YOU and Bayonetta.

Every other things are not part of the real videogaming world.

Posted:2 years ago

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Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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@Fabio

That's really easy to say if you haven't been abused, excluded or insulted by other gamers simply for belonging to a marginalised group. The 'real' videogaming world consists of people, and some of them are black, or female, or gay, and they absolutely have the right to create a safe space to celebrate their love of games where nobody will insult them simply for being who they are.

Bravo EA. I hope other publishers and developers follow suit, and back up their support with real, positive action in their games.

Posted:2 years ago

#3

Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

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I'm looking forward to the day when we don't need organized separation to be inclusive regarding anything.

Then again, I don't blame them for wanting their own convention. 5 minutes on Xbox Live should be enough to make any minority or repressed group cringe.

Posted:2 years ago

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Fabio Russo Journalists

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@Jessica:

For me a gamer is a gamer. If you really love this things, if you are a quite "good" person, you are a "bro". Stop.
Some people online insult for every reason. There are in world a LOT of problems, people are persecuted for a LOT of reason. "Normal" people, male, female, gay, old, young, healthy, with handicap, poor, rich, by religion and hundreds of reasons.
It's Life.

I think there is a good place for everything, but I think videogames are NOT the right place for this things.


You want to talk about Romney vs Obama? Good, but NOT in a gamingCon.
You want to talk about war in middle east? About Economic Crisis? About hundreds of thousends of Christians killed all over the world? Good, but not in a gamingCon.
When I play I want enjoy the game (and so I think everyone) not to start a debate or a "war" with people that have a different idea about tax, civil rights, war, religion...


Videogames should remain a safe place were the ONLY thing to do is enjoy in gaming. :)
If we start to "contaminate" games with this things, the next step is to do want censors want, cut some content because someone believe that a game could REALLY affect the actions of people in real life.

Games are games, they are funny, they are fantastic, they are a sort of dream. Not a mass medium. Videogames doesn't born to "communicate" but to entertain, to amuse. So if you want to talk about gay, or religion, or war, it would be better you talk OUT. Not for badness or malice. I'm not a bad person if I say "ehi, in cinema, you can't talk about starvation". :)

Edited 3 times. Last edit by Fabio Russo on 21st September 2012 5:36pm

Posted:2 years ago

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Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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@Fabio

That's a pretty shallow view of gaming and social interaction in general. Games, like movies, and books and TV shows are a reflection of the culture we live in and to say that a game or book or movie should never deal with issues that plague society like racism, sexism or trans/homophobia is to deny the potential power of the medium to encourage people to think about and engage with these problems.

Either way, as it stands most gaming communities are NOT safe spaces where people can feel free to be who they are without fear of abuse or exclusion. Events like Gaymercon encourage discussion about how to combat this sad state of affairs while providing a safe space for ALL gamers to celebrate their hobby and hopefully not have to worry about encountering assholes.

Saying 'people are just jerks' is never an excuse to not do anything about it. If nobody speaks up and refuses to accept jerkish behaviour, nothing will ever change.

Posted:2 years ago

#6

Fabio Russo Journalists

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Jessica

I didn't say that we can't talk about that. I say games are not the right place.

Books, web, in part movies, TV are different things. They are mass media, they are born to communicate, to debate, to inform. Videogames no. It's like a gay version, a muslim or christian version of Barbie or Lego. Not all things can be dealt in all places.

And I think we should distinguish real "racism" (in all sense) from simple opinion and simple speech.

Mass communications lead us (all) to emphasize everything. We use and abuse "racism" from supermarket, where an old lady pass over us, to act of war or extermination like Iraq, Yugoslavia, German under Hitler. At a certain point, if you say "you are f***** man" or something, you are free of your idea. Like I'm free to say you want I think of you.

Racism in videogame I think it's a really absurd concept. Games are a fake reality, games does not exist (for real). Games are..... GAMES, you play them not "for real". Otherwise we should be arrested for the thousands, millions "person" we killed ingame. :)

Racism is a REAL thing, not a verbal insult. Videogames interactions are limited to verbal. I can't do anything against you for real. So I think is quite ridiculous to talk about racism in videogames. Ridiculous and above all disrespect towards people in world that are real victims or real racism.

We talk "bla-bla-beautyful things" about "gaymerCon" and in real time thousands people in world are really killed for real reason, not for games, not for some stupid insults across chat. But we can go home quiet because we talked about "racism" at gaymercon or something like that, so we have done our daily good action and we are good people.
But we do nothing for real people that tomorrow will die really. Or we do nothing if there is no oil, gas, diamonds, uranium... under those country. For a gay insulted for fake in a talkshow, we go in streets screaming with posters , but for real people that die NOW, we say "poor people, what aa bad thing"....

So, if we REALLY want to talk about serious things (I think, IMHO) should be better we talk about that, seriously, in right place, where we don't do only "bla-bla-beautyful things" but where the debate can really do something for this problem.


PS: sorry if my english is not "shakespearean" like. :D

Edited 2 times. Last edit by Fabio Russo on 21st September 2012 6:33pm

Posted:2 years ago

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Paul Johnson Managing Director / Lead code monkey, Rubicon Development

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I'm with you Fabio.

Singling people out because they're gay and giving them special privileges? Sounds biased to me.

As a heterosexual, I don't want to be called a gay faggot by some American teenager either tbh, but I'm not going to break down into a gibbering wreck about it, whatever my orientation.

I vote we should stop giving special stuff to gays and instead move to walling off all the people who haven't had any kind of sex yet. :)

Posted:2 years ago

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Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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You guys really need to check your privilege here. If you've never been insulted, excluded and attacked because of who you are(here's a hint: hatefully calling a straight guy a 'faggot' is not the same as saying the same thing to a gay guy; when your sexual orientation/gender/skin colour becomes a dirty word then you might see this better) then it can be difficult to understand how deep this problem goes, but please, try and educate yourselves and attempt to actually understand the situation before you roll out the idiotic blanket statements.

'As a straight/white/cisgendered/man, this problem doesn't affect me, therefore it's not a problem and these people should stop whining!' is a totally ridiculous and unhelpful statement. For one thing, GaymerCon is not about 'whining'. It's about celebrating diversity and inclusivity and discussing how the lack of these things hurts gamers and the games industry alike. It's not about 'giving special stuff to gay people', it's about trying to give gay/trans/female/black people the SAME privileges - the same safety and familiarity and positive experience - that non-marginalised people get for free, just because of who they are. GaymerCon is for, and about, EVERYONE involved in games and geek culture to celebrate inclusivity.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Jessica Hyland on 24th September 2012 2:19pm

Posted:2 years ago

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Ben Furneaux Designer, Turbulenz Limited

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@Paul

"As a heterosexual, I don't want to be called a gay faggot [...] I'm not going to break down into a gibbering wreck about it, whatever my orientation."

This is not about "giving special stuff to gays" or bias. It's about giving equal opportunities to everyone — regardless of race, gender, or in this case orientation. It concerns me that a CEO such as yourself who is responsible for the wellbeing and hiring of his workforce would be so dismissive of this issue.

It's highly likely some of your staff (that bring value to your company) are LGBT — never forget that.

However, Paul, as a white hetrosexual male I'm sure you have an excellent grip on what it means to feel excluded and are perfectly qualified to comment on this issue.

Posted:2 years ago

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Paul Johnson Managing Director / Lead code monkey, Rubicon Development

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I'm more than dismissive, I ignore it completely. Is that not the ideal here or are you even more concerned than ever now?

Who someone sleeps with is not my concern. In fact I'd prefer it if people didn't share this data openly as I'm seriously not interested. And that applies to straight people and gays equally as neither camp needs special desks/chairs.

Feel free to find some offense in my attitude.

Posted:2 years ago

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Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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All of the offense in the world. I hope your employees know you don't care about whatever problems they might have, because if it doesn't personally affect you then it can't possibly be a problem, right?

Your self-centred attitude is disturbing and a perfect example of WHY these things keep being allowed to happen. People like you allow them to happen.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Jessica Hyland on 24th September 2012 4:08pm

Posted:2 years ago

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Paul Johnson Managing Director / Lead code monkey, Rubicon Development

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No, it's people with "I'm special" attitudes that do that, but I guess we need to agree to disagree here. Good luck with the soap box.

Posted:2 years ago

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Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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I'm not agreeing to disagree, actually. You're wrong and your ignorant, arrogant attitude is what perpetuates the problems of racism, sexism, homo/transphobia and ableism in the games industry and society as a whole. Painting everyone who has ever complained of abuse and exclusion in a game as attention-seekers is incredibly insulting to all of us, does absolutely nothing to combat the problem and in fact perpetuates the exclusionary attitude that leads to abusive behaviour in the first place.

You haven't even attempted to engage with any of my points, you just responded with smug dismissiveness. GaymerCon is trying to make the games industry a better place. What have you done for tolerance and decency in the world today, besides dismissing a huge swathe of the gaming population of the world as attention-seekers?

Posted:2 years ago

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Paul Johnson Managing Director / Lead code monkey, Rubicon Development

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You didn't make any points. Apart from the hypocritical way you make assumptions about me and insult me, I think we all get that bit. EDIT: That I see you now deleted. Don't worry, I wasn't actually offended.

What have I done to stop various ism's? I don't engage in them and take action if I see it in front of me. You have no right to expect more than that. Here's a newsflash: you are not special. Expecting to be treated specially is what makes you an "attention seeker" (your words, not mine).

Assuming that you're gay and came to work for me, what exactly is it you'd expect from me that the straight person next to you wouldn't be getting? If the answer is anything other than "nothing" then you're just making trouble for the same reason.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Paul Johnson on 24th September 2012 6:15pm

Posted:2 years ago

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Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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I made plenty of points actually, all of which you chose to ignore.
a) You have privilege(you are male, white and straight; all of these things give you privilege in many areas over people who are not those things) and your ignorance of said fact is hurting your ability for you to make coherent arguments.
b) GaymerCon has nothing to do with the 'special treatment' you apparently despise and all to do with inclusivity and tolerance. Where you got this 'special' thing I'm not sure, but that's not what I was talking about.
c) An attitude that dismisses legitimate complaints of abuse and exclusion as demands for special treatment furthers such abuse and exclusion. 'Not being harassed because of who I am' is not 'special treatment', it's what any person should be able to expect.

If an employee came to you saying that a colleague was insulting them because of their sexual orientation, would you tell them to just get over it because you wouldn't be offended by such? Can you not see how insulting it is to say to someone 'your problem isn't mine, so I'm not going to do anything about it and I'll belittle you for being upset'?

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Jessica Hyland on 24th September 2012 5:26pm

Posted:2 years ago

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Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

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Jessica, I think what he is trying to say is that to get above any form of racial, sexual, ethnic, etc...hurdle, you have to at some point stop separating yourself from the crowd. You can't include yourself by excluding yourself.

A quarterbacks couch for an NFL team, who at the time had 3 QB's on the team and all were black, gave the most poignant answer to a reporter when quizzed about the fact that it was the first time in history an NFL team had all 3 QB's of African American race. He said, I'm paraphrasing, "The fact you have to even point that out means we still consider race at the QB position a problem."

I think the point is that a better approach to solving the problem would not be to exclude them or separate them into their own segment but rather to include them more specifically and teach those doing the harm that it is wrong. Separating them only draws attention to them which draws even more ridicule.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have their event but to me it just shows we still go about solving the problem the wrong way.

Posted:2 years ago

#17

Paul Johnson Managing Director / Lead code monkey, Rubicon Development

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a) I don't need to be gay to think that insulting gays is a bad thing. To imply that I need to be gay to appreciate the insult level is just milking it.That's pretty much the rest of the population's stance too ime. All except the vocal bigots whom no amount of education or foot-stamping will ever reach. That's a sad fact you'll have to live with and yes I admit I'm not sorry that I won't.

However, as an Android/iOS developer I do get called a greedy fascist at least once per day (true story), purely due to the fact that we charge for our work. That hurts a lot, especially given that I think I'm pretty generous and open to suggestions. Who's problem is that? Just mine and I'll deal with it in silence. (usually)

b) It's actually a definition of special treatment. There is nothing going on in that gathering that I couldn't partake of equally, but it's targetted at a smaller group of people and given a special name that implicitly says to me as a straight guy "stay away". If I ran an event that said "heterocon: no gays", not only would you rightly be moaning about it, I could end up in prison.

c) I don't remember doing that bit tbh. In fact I thought I'd explicitly made your last point a number of times myself.

If an employee came to me complaining he was being picked on for any reason at all, I'd investigate. On the complaint being upheld the guilty party would probably get fired and possibly be reported to the authorities. I don't know at what point you turned my position 180 degrees, but you probably need to take a deep breath and read what I said again without an axe to grind.

Edited 2 times. Last edit by Paul Johnson on 24th September 2012 6:10pm

Posted:2 years ago

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Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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Did you two read anything about GaymerCon before you decided that the gaming community didn't need it? Besides the fact that thousands of people put their money up to ensure it would happen(so, they seem to think it's a good use of their time and money) their website says absolutely nothing about excluding ANYONE. Heterosexuals are as welcome as genderqueer polyamorous transpeople.

I don't agree with the commonly-quoted idea that 'noticing differences is bad' - using difference as a way of insulting or excluding someone is absolutely wrong. But ignoring someone's differences and experiences and presuming to speak for them - as you do, in saying that GaymerCon is somehow wrong or unnecessary - is also wrong. Your experience is not theirs. Presuming to understand their pain with a completely different example - being greedy or fascistic is not something you are simply born to, and being gay or black or female should not be a negative thing in itself - is an obvious sign that you completely missed my point.

Posted:2 years ago

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Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

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I think perhaps you didn't read the last line in my post. It starts by stating, "'I'm not saying they shouldn't have their event...." And while their event may be open to all peoples of whatever gender preference and status, it is clearly targeted to a specific segment of gamers.

My point was simply that separation has never been the answer to solving these kind of problems. Separate toilets, water fountains, seating arrangements, schools, etc...certainly didn't help racial issues in the US. It was the inclusion of everybody together than has brought as far as we've come.

Life has shown that such separations only hinder things in the long run. While it may provide a sense of refuge and security during the conference (and any networking opportunity should always be welcomed), these types of events do draw feelings of resentment and special treatment from those that may, or may not, already have a personal issue with that group. If the overall goal is to eradicate such ignorance, how do you do that by promoting, what in their eyes, looks like special treatment?

And if it's about giving them the same privileges, are they not welcome at E3, ComiCon, TGS, GamesCon, PAX, etc...? By my count, there are 76 gaming conventions every year in the US alone.

Organizers have said the event is about "uniting gay gamers, not creating a division among gamers". But the title of the convention itself completely undermines that concept. It is dividing them. So again, I'm not saying they shouldn't have the convention. I just believe as a means to truly help remove ignorance and hate, this isn't the way to do it. Untie all as gamers. How can you unite when a specific segment is being highlighted?

Posted:2 years ago

#20

Andrew Goodchild Studying development, Train2Game

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I think Jim's comments have been spot on. I can understand the need felt to organise this event, due to bigotry experienced in gaming spaces, but it is a tragic indictment that it is needed. I would love to feel that we as a gaming community could be inclusive, but clearly that is not always the case.

Posted:2 years ago

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Paul Johnson Managing Director / Lead code monkey, Rubicon Development

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I'm going back to my original statement. I don't want want to be called gay whilst playing a game either. Not because I consider the concept of gayness insulting, but because it nevertheless is /meant/ to be insulting and that insult is aimed at everyone inclusively.

That "you are gay" should not actually be an insult I completely agree with. But that has dick all to do with games and everything to do with thick and/or insensitive teenagers. If a conference is needed to put this right, it should not be "gaymercon" but "onlineplaywithoutdickheadscon"

Posted:2 years ago

#22

Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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So your problem is with the name, and not the concept? They explain the reasoning behind the name on their website which, clearly, you haven't read.

But it's fine because I'm done having shit mansplained at me. You straight white male CEOs have absolutely no concept of the immense privileges you hold, so keep on waving it about the place and making embarassments of yourselves.

Posted:2 years ago

#23

Paul Johnson Managing Director / Lead code monkey, Rubicon Development

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I would've read it, but the title left me feeling excluded. And I really hate that.

Edited 3 times. Last edit by Paul Johnson on 25th September 2012 11:06am

Posted:2 years ago

#24

Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

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Jessica, why would I want to go to a website to read about a convention that has a name that makes it clearly not targeted at me? Would you consider going to the website of The African American Male Gaming Convention? Does that name sound like it wants to include you? Muslim Gamers Expo? Midget Gaming Con? White Male CEO Gaming Expo? I don't mean to sound patronizing, Jessica, but I am merely to drive a point.

And I'd greatly appreciate it if you didn't assume that I have no understanding of plight of minorities because of my sex, race and sexual orientation. I grew up in an all black neighborhood, was the only white kid in my class for years and my wife is a minority who is also bisexual. Pardon me for airing personal aspects but I wonder which of us should feel embarrassed?

One doesn't need to be afflicted by disease or malady to adequately discuss it.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Jim Webb on 25th September 2012 11:49am

Posted:2 years ago

#25

Ben Furneaux Designer, Turbulenz Limited

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This whole thread has left me feeling really icky. The world is not the shining example of inclusivity you think it is (as you have so eloquently demonstrated). Events like this are really, really important for the LGBT community to help bring people together, share common interests and meet new people (because it's really not that easy).

You have to be highly cynical to pour cold water on this. Shame on you, you curmudgeony curmudgeons.

Posted:2 years ago

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Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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@Jim

I would assume that before condemning the need for such a convention you might want to read the website to ensure that you are not misinformed by the name, thereby coming off as an uninformed yokel in the discussion of said convention. I don't mean to sound patronising, but complaining about a convention excluding you when the website explicitly states that it is about the exact opposite of that comes off as a little bit... I don't know, eager to complain maybe?

And one doesn't have to be afflicted by a 'disease or malady' to be female, or gay, or black. But it's dismissive, selfish attitudes like those that have been more than adequately displayed in these comments that ensure we will continue to be treated thus by people who don't suffer from such 'maladies'.

Posted:2 years ago

#27

Dave Herod Senior Programmer, Codemasters

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You straight white male CEOs have absolutely no concept of the immense privileges you hold
Pardon me, but didn't you just make a sweeping generalisation that's sexist, racist, AND prejudicial against sexual orientation?

Posted:2 years ago

#28

Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

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So, you would go to those convention's website to learn about their inclusive aspects to the whole gaming community despite the name of the convention? You'd actually go to the White Male CEO Gaming Expo's website to learn more about how it wants to include you at their convention?

And did I not just allude to the fact that I experienced reverse racism and bigotry growing up and that my own wife is part of the segment this convention is targeting?

Posted:2 years ago

#29

Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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@Dave
The white, straight, male CEO posting in this thread has more than demonstrated that he has no idea what privilege is and how to talk about or deal with it. I misread Jim's title - excuse me! But my comments are not exclusively aimed at CEOs, they apply to anyone who has privilege and is unaware of it, leading them to make offensive statements as we have seen. For the benefit of everyone getting into this subject, here's a useful link that should illuminate the concept of privilege: http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/faq-what-is-male-privilege/

And Jim, yes. I would certainly read a website to see what it's about before launching into a complaint about how it excludes me based entirely on the title. Is Blizzcon only for fans of adverse weather conditions? Is DragonCon no more than a gathering of people who really like mythical lizards? Is PAX really only about Penny Arcade? Do you see my point here? I don't even like the name GaymerCon, but I'm not going to dismiss the convention and all it stands for on the strength of a slightly awkward-sounding title.

Edited 2 times. Last edit by Jessica Hyland on 25th September 2012 1:08pm

Posted:2 years ago

#30

Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

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The difference is that those conventions did start off as catering to exactly what their titles suggest. Only after many years and much media coverage have their grown beyond those originally targeted groups. Such to the point that one doesn't need to go to their website to understand they appeal to more than just the title target audience. GaymerCon has not reached such a level that it necessitates one to have an actual interest in the convention based almost completely on the title.

Another difference is the specifics of the title. With DragonCon, nobody is an actual dragon, PAX, nobody is an actual PAX, BlizzCon, no one is actually a Blizzard. With GaymerCon, it is specifically targeting a group that is gay. Those other conventions of a more ambiguous title that can attract a larger overall audience....and I mean attract them to want to go to their website to learn more.

Do you read the back cover of ever ybook in the bookstore or do you largely read just the titles and only after a title strikes you do you read the back cover?

Posted:2 years ago

#31

Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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I only read the back covers of books that interest me, indeed, but before I started complaining on an international industry news website about how 50 Shades of Grey excludes me, a person who is not grey, from its fiction, I would also bother myself to read a little more about it than merely the title. For example, I would be interested to know whether it actually intended to exclude me, or if I was in fact mistaken and possibly a bit overeager to complain about it.

So, knowing what you do now about GaymerCon - do you still feel that the existence of an all-inclusive convention about tolerance and celebrating every gamer is 'solving the problem in the wrong way'?

Posted:2 years ago

#32

Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

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I do. Because the title will have the opposite effect of the intention.

Not sure if you noticed it before, but I did quote the organizers (comment #20). Perhaps I knew more about this convention before I commented than you are assuming.

Posted:2 years ago

#33

Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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Perhaps you also missed this part of their 'Prime Directives' then.
SUPPORTING
Supporting an inclusive group spanning all orientations/ethnicities/gender/class/creed in the gaming community - collectively titled Gaymers.
I don't think the title is turning anyone off the event(it certainly sounds like it's going to be pretty popular, considering it raised over 300% of its Kickstarter goal) except possibly some people who are a little insecure and find anything to do with the word 'gay' objectionable. I'm not gay, myself, but when I heard about GaymerCon my personal reaction was 'oh, that sounds interesting!' rather than 'oh that's not about me, I'd better get indignant!'

Posted:2 years ago

#34

Jim Webb Executive Editor/Community Director, E-mpire Ltd. Co.

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How did you get that I didn't read that? Didn't I just tell you that I already knew that they intended to include people's of all segments? You didn't go back to read my post, did you?

And how do you get that I'm insecure and find gay objectionable when I also noted my own wife as being bisexual?
And where did you get indignant from? Do you really think I am angered that I am not their target audience?

Didn't I already say they can have the event and that it's a good networking opportunity for those that attend?

My issue is the intention of being inclusive by establishing a convention that will create exclusion. You don't create unity by pointing out your differences first. You don't say, I'm gay...and I'm a gamer. You say, I'm a gamer that happens to be gay. Notice how the unify factor is noted first rather than the separating factor? The title of this convention notates the gay first, rather than gamer first. And I'm not referring to the creative spelling but rather the message the title sends. Gay should be secondary.

For instance, those minorities that find the most unity are those that do not explicitly point out their status before all else. Would an African American say, "I am a black gamer"? No. His race is irrelevant to being a gamer. As should race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion, political affiliation, etc... You want to unify something, start with the unifying qualities first. Pointing out what separates, only separates.

Posted:2 years ago

#35

Jessica Hyland Character Artist

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Well, I assumed that if you had actually read it you would have been reassured that the convention is not only aimed at gay gamers and you mightn't have complained about 'doing it wrong' in the first place. The rest of that post had nothing to do with you, only the people I supposed may have been turned off and upset about the convention due simply to the name and not knowing anything more about it. Which, having apparently read the website before posting, you were not.

Unity is not homogeneity. Gay gamers, or black gamers, or female gamers, are perfectly entitled to refer to themselves as such, or just as gamers, or just as people considering how widespread gaming as a pastime has become. Exclusion and abuse in the gaming community isn't going to stop just because we start referring to ourselves as 'gamers first, minorities second' - being a member of a marginalised group shouldn't be something that one has to hide or suppress just to be accepted as worthy of the vocal minority's respect. If one is happy about being gay/female/black, we have every right to talk about how great it can be, while also discussing how we can get everybody to realise the same.

Thanks for accepting that we 'can have' our event, although I don't recall anyone asking for your permission or approval.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Jessica Hyland on 25th September 2012 2:41pm

Posted:2 years ago

#36

Laurens Bruins Jaywalker, Jaywalkers Interactive

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Jessica, you raise valid points, but Jim 'wins' on style alone. I understand you are passionate, but you are not doing yourself or the people you're backing any favours here.
"If you want people to listen, speak softly."

No intention to 'mansplain', just an opinion...

Posted:2 years ago

#37

Christopher Reeves Junior Artist, DNA Dynamics

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Style is for creative matters, not this, this actually matters.

On a more general note, the irony here is that all the claims that Homosexual people are demanding special treatment are pretty rich coming from a culture which grants special privilege to the White Straight Male. He is used to special privilege like freedom from social exclusion, violence, catcalls in the street, discrimination at home, in public and the workplace for instance - based on their gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or even their skin colour. This is a privilege that the WSM is often not even aware of, hence why they so often see anything done to encourage awareness of anybody else's situation as being "Special Treatment".

This event should absolutely happen and I support it wholeheartedly. Even aside from addressing the huge homophobia issue in gaming today, homosexual gamers and game developers have so much to teach an industry and legion of gaming fans dominated by the voice and opinions of the Straight Male, just like how Women developers and developers of different ethnicities and cultures have valuable perspectives and insights that our Straight Male dominated industry and player-base seem to have no time or patience for.

We need this, especially the Straight Males among us, we might learn a thing or two.

Edited 2 times. Last edit by Christopher Reeves on 26th September 2012 5:20pm

Posted:2 years ago

#38

Laurens Bruins Jaywalker, Jaywalkers Interactive

135 158 1.2
Style is important because it matters. When you start shouting and insulting, people tend to not listen. But whatever, back on topic.

Posted:2 years ago

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