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Apple adds Galaxy S III to Samsung patent dispute

Apple adds Galaxy S III to Samsung patent dispute

Mon 03 Sep 2012 7:55am GMT / 3:55am EDT / 12:55am PDT
Hardware

Samsung's leading smartphone threatened with US sales ban

Apple added four Samsung devices to its ongoing patent case on Friday, including the Samsung Galaxy S III.

The Galaxy S III is the latest version of Samsung's leading smartphone, and it wasn't yet released in the US when Apple filed the initial lawsuit last year.

The San Jose court has already found Samsung guilty of patent infringement, ordering the electronics company to pay Apple more than $1 billion in damages. Apple then submitted a list of devices to be banned from sale in the US, with the final verdict scheduled for a December 6 hearing.

However, the devices on the list were generally not the latest versions of Samsung's devices, so its impact on the company's sales was expected to be minimal. The addition of the Galaxy S III has changed the stakes considerably, as it is one of the most advanced and popular Samsung products on the market.

23 Comments

Nick Parker Consultant

302 179 0.6
Apple litigating competition (hardware and operating systems) out of the market. This has to stop.

Posted:2 years ago

#1

Adam Yau Game Programmer

23 10 0.4
=_______=

Posted:2 years ago

#2

Terence Gage Freelance writer

1,288 120 0.1
Anyone know what terms the S-III is claimed to be infringing Apple's patents? Because I read a (slightly tongue-in-cheek, but informative) article last week pointing out the myriad ways the S-III has been designed to not infringe on Apple's various smartphone patents.

I also agree with Tom's comment.

Posted:2 years ago

#3

senar koraltan QA Technician

9 0 0.0
It is bad news for Samsung, if they cannot win the appeal from the courts, Apple monopolises the mobile industry once again and there won't be any competition. I hope in the end Samsung gets a fair outcome!

Posted:2 years ago

#4

gi biz ;,pgc.eu

341 51 0.1
@adam: I have a patent on that emoticon with 7 _ and I wanted so much to post it before you did!
I'll sue you and get you banned from GI.biz, so only I can spam everybody with =_______= lololololol (hysterical laugh)

Posted:2 years ago

#5

Daniel Hughes Studying PhD Literary Modernism, Bangor University

436 496 1.1
Madness. Apple will do everything they can to dominate the market by abusing the patent system in courts--this shouldn't be allowed. I understand the need to protect intellectual property and designs, but how will granting a monopoly to a company as powerful as Apple really help? Is it any coincidence that an American court found against Samsung in favour of an American company, when courts around the world have either thrown similar cases out or condemned both companies?

Posted:2 years ago

#6

Tom Keresztes Programmer

698 353 0.5
I guess this is also a response for the LTE threat.

Posted:2 years ago

#7

Tom Keresztes Programmer

698 353 0.5
@Daniel Hughes

Microsoft holds the patent on double-click. I am not convinced that the problem is with Apple.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Tom Keresztes on 3rd September 2012 11:32am

Posted:2 years ago

#8

Daniel Hughes Studying PhD Literary Modernism, Bangor University

436 496 1.1
Part of the problem lies with Apple, but I'd never deny other companies are just as bad, if not worse.

Posted:2 years ago

#9

Bruce Everiss Marketing Consultant

1,692 594 0.4
This is such good news for Microsoft and Windows Phone 8.
People like HTC, ZTE, Huawei, Sony etc etc will just switch from Android to Winphone 8 to save on lawyers fees.

Posted:2 years ago

#10

Robert Barrow Programming (AI), Web Development, Security (Pentesting, Recovery)

27 18 0.7
Has Apple really so little faith in its own ability to innovate that it has to stoop as low as this to protect itself from competition? I also don't understand how they have got away with blurring the distinction between copyright and patent either. Apple really needs to be taught a lesson in humility, if it wasn't for the pioneering work of companies like Samsung they wouldn't have had any foundations to build their lovely walled garden on in the first place.

Posted:2 years ago

#11

Terence Gage Freelance writer

1,288 120 0.1
Bruce:
This is such good news for Microsoft and Windows Phone 8.
How so? I thought the issues here were with Samsung's hardware design? Unless MS has some kind of clause with Apple whereby manufacturers using their OS are automatically granted licence to use Apple's patents?

Posted:2 years ago

#12

Paul Shirley Programmers

178 150 0.8
@Terence: MS does indeed have a cross license with Apple that might well allow that, within limits. The only part known for certain is MS are contractually forbidden from building obvious clones of Apple products. Minor, frankly ludicrous patent infringements like those Apple are using against Android device makers are likely to be licensed to Win8 devices.

It's part of threat to destroy Android/Google from a couple of years ago, MS&Apple showing unlikely amounts of co-operation. It's why WinPhone (and now Win8) are so very different, MS agreed not to look like IOS - regardless of whether that affects the OS in a good or bad way. Someday soon Apple will stand up in court and point to WP7 as an example that Android could look radically different and assume a court won't care if that would cripple it.

Samsung have a real issue of copying the look&feel of IOS and iPhone hardware too closely. Apple however are going far beyond what's justified and have a bunch of ludicrous patents they're willing to use against everyone but MS.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Paul Shirley on 3rd September 2012 4:14pm

Posted:2 years ago

#13

Gareth Harmer Columnist, MMORPG.com

3 4 1.3
Like others have mentioned before: don't hate the players, hate the game.

Apple's been allowed to register the patents. They've then been able to uphold them in court. Moral issues aside, their actions in the courts are a valid business strategy.

The questions about what should and shouldn't be patentable aren't for Apple to decide or answer for. Instead, it should be held up as an example of why patent reform is desperately needed in some industries.

Posted:2 years ago

#14

Nicholas Pantazis Senior Editor, VGChartz Ltd

1,021 1,467 1.4
MS and Apple have a standing alliance against Google, and I wish that was some crazy conspiracy theory, but both have all but said it outright. MS does license Apple's patents, for around 1/100th the price Apple was asking for from Android manufacturers, and Apple is just following the Jobsian plan of "Screw Android, burn it to the ground."

Posted:2 years ago

#15

gi biz ;,pgc.eu

341 51 0.1
What really feels annoying is that this insanity is bankrolled by gullible people who buy whatever the marketing tosses at them. To any of you who financed them in any way: here is how they are spending your money. Instead of focusing on R&D and production they bring you the same interface that came out in 1994 with little to no alternatives to it.

Posted:2 years ago

#16

Adam Campbell Associate Producer, Miniclip Ltd

1,200 1,017 0.8
@Bruce

I'd say to the most incredibly limited extent. I doubt we'll see a mass exodus from Android at all, but there will be tiny gains for the OS, for example Nokia's rising share price after Samsung's defeat in court.

As for my personal opinion on the whole fiasco, well, it really does have to stop eventually. Its getting far past the point where Apple are innovating anything at all and this seems to be their only hope of trying to command and dominate the market. Samsung particularly are simply too strong with their wide range of products and industry leading technology.

Apple need to take the battle back to the shops and create the best products and best marketing to compete with their rival rather than continuing this madness from Steve Jobs.

Posted:2 years ago

#17

Gareth O'Neill Environment Artist (Contract), Ubisoft Reflections

30 23 0.8
A company Named "Apple" using a Logo of an Apple, sueing another company for Copying i.e. Not being original. How Ironic.
Perhaps Apple Orchard Farmers should sue apple for stealing the design of their Product for their Logo?

Honestly this is Typical of America, I HATE that America helped bring Law Suits, accidental damage claims, Lawyers for You and all that, I'll sue you, you sue me, we all sue each other mentality over to Britain, it was a nicer less Health and Safety hand held Time back when people just Dealt with Life.

not too mention the Racism of American Courts to rule in Favour of an American Company. Thats like them ruling in Favour of Xbox over PS3, Of course they would, PS3 is Japanese. There are NO un-biased juries in America in situations like this as they are bred to be sooooo Patriotic common sense goes out of the window.

plus I'd like to Add in case Any apple Employee reads this....Your products Are Rubbish and sooo restrictive with your DRM nonsense, if Apple had parents I'd yell at them for not teaching their kid to share and to not be a spoiled Brat!!!!

Rant over.

Posted:2 years ago

#18

Tamir Ibrahim Programmer, Rodeo Games

76 56 0.7
There seems to be a lot of people here placing all of the blame on Apple. While I agree this whole fiasco has gone way beyond what should be acceptable it is all because of the ridiculous patent system and has very little to do with Apple. It's hardly like they are the only people suing, take a look at this mess! This mess is utterly stupid.

http://www.dailymobile.net/2012/01/24/clearing-up-the-patent-lawsuits-or-not-infographic/

Posted:2 years ago

#19

Nicholas Pantazis Senior Editor, VGChartz Ltd

1,021 1,467 1.4
@ Tamir But Apple started it, when Jobs declared his "thurmonuclear war." The other suits are almost entirely defensive suits, and suits designed to (hopefully) force Apple to back-off and cross-license.

Posted:2 years ago

#20

gi biz ;,pgc.eu

341 51 0.1
Can I sue Apple for sharing 12 millions records of personal user data with FBI without telling anybody? Maybe for exploiting Chinese workers when they have a 50 billion $ profit only on phones and only in North America? Also, teaching employees subtle psychological tricks to get people into buying their products doesn't feel too moral. Nor does declaring 'thermonuclear war' on competitors, whatever that means. It seems to me that they have a special attraction for blame, although you're right, we shouldn't forget Microsoft and Sony, indeed.

Posted:2 years ago

#21

Paul Shirley Programmers

178 150 0.8
@Tamir

The patent system is broken but there's no requirement in it to proactively enforce patents to keep them. We got along well before software patents. We got along well enough when everyone had the sense to not go 'thermonuclear' with them.

I can accept that a broken system forces the filing and accumulation of defensive stockpiles of junk patents.

No one forced Apple to be an aggressor, the blame lies completely with Steve Jobs and Apple. It's a disease that needs eradicating.

Posted:2 years ago

#22
Despite Microsoft having got bad press for years, the truth is Apple have always been greedier by creating a closed system where everyone pays apple for everything Apple have shown nothing but true greed from the start, buy an apple and you can easily pay twice as much as a windows pc for the same hardware.

Its hardly a shock to me now apple finally made it big that they would then trump MS once again on the greed and anti-competitive front and attempt to prevent sales of anything not Apple using patents, which frankly with software is a ridiculous concept, intellectual property is a buzzword not reality.

Infact historically most new discoveries tend to be made by multiple people across the world usually near or around the same time, whoever "patents" its first will earn the cash for it however, as oppose to who invented it first, with OS's with 3 year lifespans or under, in the modern software world, patents have no place, they can do nothing but stifle innovation, make sales with your products not with what you managed to pay 10k to be registered as the people who invented something, when almost every "invention" is something multiple people in multiple places come up with anyhow, if registering patents did not cost so much, most patents would be owned by small software houses, instead big ones registering things they did'nt invent instead.

They clog up the courts with ridiculous court cases, and waste time trying to litigate competitors out of existence, software patents need to be either removed entirely or require clear and absolute evidence of being the 1st indicated case of something in order to be registered rather then allowing anyone to register anything based on the strength of a submission form alone, any prior evidence in any form appearing at any time should immediately invalidate said patent, the onus should be on the patent wielder to prove they have the right to the patent not on the accused patent user to prove or disprove what they did. Then I might consider patent cases and infringement with a little more respect rather then judge them for the current farce they are.

Posted:2 years ago

#23

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