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Sony sites suffering as reports circulate of further hacking

Tue 05 Apr 2011 8:18am GMT / 4:18am EDT / 1:18am PDT
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Platform holder tweets to claim websites are under maintenance whilst hacker group claims responsibility

Loose hacker collective Anonymous has continued to claim responsibility for Sony's websites suffering denial of service attacks, and has allegedly stepped up actions against individual Sony employees.

Yesterday, a press release was issued on a website which claimed to be a mission statement from members of Anonymous, declaring open conflict with Sony over the company's legal wrangle with jailbreak hacker Geohot. That statement outlined a plan to engage in a campaign of hacking and electronic disruption against the publisher.

That campaign would appear to have had some degree of efficacy, as at the time of writing, Sony's PlayStation blog was unobtainable and the company's main sites were struggling to load.

Reports have also filtered in of the PlayStation Network spending periods being unavailable. On various message boards and chat channels people claiming to be affiliated with Anonymous have claimed responsibility for participating in the actions which have resulted in these outages.

Sony, however, has tweeted to announce that PSN will be "undergoing sporadic maintenance" throughout the day, and could be unavailable.

More seriously, PlayStation Lifestyle has reported that Anonymous affiliates are engaging in more personal attacks on Sony staff members, even attempting to obtain the details of Howard Stringer's children in order to pursue nuisance campaigns against them.

The perpetrators of these attacks, which gather information such as contact details and addresses for purposes of fraud, are purportedly part of a separate group of hackers who have begun a campaign known as Sony Recon, unsatisfied with the level of action being pursued elsewhere.

Sony has been contacted for a response to the allegations.

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"More seriously, PlayStation Lifestyle has reported that Anonymous affiliates are engaging in more personal attacks on Sony staff members, even attempting to obtain the details of Howard Stringer's children in order to purse nuisance campaigns against them."

Getting a bit out of hand if you ask me.

Posted:3 years ago

#1

Sebastian Moss
Editor -in- Chief

57 19 0.3
This has definitely escalated to a far more worrying level, and there's not much that can be done to stop them other than trying to ride it out. Its frightening that such a fragmented, youth driven group wields such power.

Posted:3 years ago

#2

Andrew Goodchild
Studying development

1,234 394 0.3
"even attempting to obtain the details of Howard Stringer's children in order to purse nuisance campaigns against them."

How frightfully heroic, going after children now? Hope that particular group get caught and locked up.

Posted:3 years ago

#3
they say they attack evil unfair companies, they should hack activison for charging us $15 for 5 maps that took no effort to make, sony by removing the other OS where trying to protect their developers and users. these guys are tools and need to wake up and smell the coffee, not only this but they choose to attack sony NOW right after their country has been hit with massive devistation of a tsunami and earthqauek....FUCK THESE GUYS!

Posted:3 years ago

#4

Robert Kelly

38 0 0.0
I take back my comment on looking forward to see how this would play out. This latest plan of stealing information from ordinary employees it disgraceful and has nothing to do with the case. Assholes...

Posted:3 years ago

#5

Klaus Preisinger
Freelance Writing

1,070 1,000 0.9
The result from decades of globalization, a global corporation meets a global witch hunt. Good old times, when the inquisition was only Spanish.

Posted:3 years ago

#6

Joe Winkler
trained retail salesman

167 4 0.0


.. sounds like terrorists attacking lions in the mohave.
And for all I know is that sony has enough time to sue people, so they may be able to handle these attacks quite good.
I already supportet Japan and will do that furthermore, but this issue is about sony against anonymous


@ James: I agree with the CoD map packs but I think Actvision and Treyarch should charge 20$ for every single multiplayermap realeased! People are dumb enough to pay 3 bucks for a single map and they will be dumb enough to pay more.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Joe Winkler on 5th April 2011 10:27am

Posted:3 years ago

#7

James Boulton
Tools & Tech Coder

131 168 1.3
"even attempting to obtain the details of Howard Stringer's children in order to pursue nuisance campaigns against them."

I would say be very careful in what you read and believe. If it is true, then this really has gone to far, however it doesn't take any effort for this information to have been fabricated and put into the hands of the press to vilify those associated.

Very much like the "Geohot has fled the country and taken bits of hard drives with him" story recently, which turned out to be entirely unfounded spin put out to discredit the defendant.

This is all getting very messy whatever the truth may be.

Posted:3 years ago

#8

Sebastian Moss
Editor -in- Chief

57 19 0.3
@James Sadly I can attest to the validity of these claims, I was in the SonyRecon IRC long before they were ready to go public, and they were all surprised that the news broke. Since writing, the group have actually found the names of his children and some other details.
I have some links as evidence, but I'd rather keep them off public channels due to the information on some of the documents (btw Dan did check up with me on the facts behind this before he posted it).

Edit: @James below: Yeah, they basically lost any sense of moral high-ground with their doxing, its no longer a case of David versus Goliath, but rather just some sick people with too much internet know-how.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Sebastian Moss on 5th April 2011 11:10am

Posted:3 years ago

#9

Jamie Watson
Studying Bachelor of Games & Interactive Entertainment

179 0 0.0
this doesnt sound like anonymous it sounds more like another group which just hates sony so they want personal info of the workers.

hopefully someone will put a clear idea of what is going on.

Posted:3 years ago

#10

James Boulton
Tools & Tech Coder

131 168 1.3
@Sebastian In which case this really is a sad case of affairs. Hit a corporation, take down it's websites, that's something which can be seen as "sticking it to the man", but to go after people personally? And their children?! This is utterly crazy and unforgivable imo.

They have indeed instantly vilified themselves.

Posted:3 years ago

#11

Sebastian Moss
Editor -in- Chief

57 19 0.3
@Jamie Well the problem with Anonymous is that they don't have a centralized command, so nothing sounds like them. Technically, I could go into the main IRC and say "lets attack Google for being so big" and create a group called OpGoogle. If I got enough members to the group I could then attack Google as Anonymous.

In this case, the main Anonymous group is OpSony - they sent out the press release and DDoS'd Sony's sites. However, a user in the OpSony IRC complained the attacks werent drastic enough, and set up another IRC group called SonyRecon. There he gained a relatively large following which he used to dox Sony employees (including Stringer), and gain their info for untoward reasons.

Posted:3 years ago

#12

Farhang Namdar
Lead Game Designer

75 47 0.6
Surprise!! Not so untouchable now are we? Big corporations need a wake up call every once in a while.

Posted:3 years ago

#13

Tomas Lidström
Lighting Artist

9 0 0.0
Ehh, i dont care what their cause is. If they go after employees and their family they should go to jail, end of discussion.

Posted:3 years ago

#14

Alan Pierce
Programmer

63 19 0.3
I don't see why people are using the Tsunami card. It's Sony of America that's under fire?

Also, will the tsunami stop them pursuing Geohot?

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Alan Pierce on 5th April 2011 11:51am

Posted:3 years ago

#15

Joe Winkler
trained retail salesman

167 4 0.0
@Alan P

Posted:3 years ago

#16

Nick McCrea
Gentleman

178 219 1.2
I continue to scratch my head and wonder every single day at the sense of entitlement some people have. Idiots.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Nick McCrea on 5th April 2011 12:48pm

Posted:3 years ago

#17

Kingman Cheng
Illustrator and Animator

949 166 0.2
This is getting way out of hand..

Posted:3 years ago

#18

Jim Webb
Executive Editor/Community Director

2,242 2,206 1.0
Nick McCrea:
I continue to scratch my head and wonder every single day at the sense of entitlement some people have. Idiots.

------------------

Most unfortunately, this works on both sides of the street. Sony started acting like children before this group did. Now it's like a playground brawl with no adults to break it up.

Both sides have certain rights and entitlements but both sides have stepped way beyond their boundaries and have taken great strides to prove who can shoot the longer stream in a pissing match.

To borrow a tag line from an equally horrible movie, "No matter who wins, we lose."

Posted:3 years ago

#19

Rick Lopez
Illustrator, Graphic Designer

1,269 941 0.7
Developers should be free to choose how they market and sell their products. These guys are mad because of the 3 call of duty maps that were being sold for 15$. If you dont like it dont buy it, like I did. And now they threaten employee's and their famly's? How about if sony stopped doing video games entirely? What do we gain?

This is stupid. If you like sony's product so much, then support it. But you are in no right to tell a manufacturer how to create a product. And changes should be made at there discretion. Obviosly lots of things have backfired for sony, such as the UMD, PSP go, the high price of the playstation, but they are the ones creating the product we love so much and how they sell it should be up to them. Weather they are greedy, arrogant or considerate, they should be the ones to evaluate what works best as a business.

I really hope these guys get caught and go to jail. You dont threaten peoples families over stupid stuff like not being able to install Linux on a PS3. And Howard Stringer, Kaz Hirai and Phil Harrison did good things for sony. Ken Kutaragi I feel was very arrogant and sony replaced him. Video games is also a business and its up to the companies to decide what works for them in that aspect. I dont see sony as evil, its just a business.

And if you were on the other side of the table I bet you would be concerned and sony's main concern is Piracy. Are they evil for that? Who can blame them for that. People brag about there rights but stay tight lipped about there responsibilities, this whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Rick Lopez on 5th April 2011 1:05pm

Posted:3 years ago

#20

Richard Westmoreland
Game Desginer

138 90 0.7
I don't see what the big deal is. Just sit tight and they will get bored after a day or two.

Posted:3 years ago

#21

Nick McCrea
Gentleman

178 219 1.2
Everyone is entitled to set whatever price they want for their goods or services, that includes us as private individuals. The only acceptable reaction when faced with an overpriced product or service is not to buy. If you are correct in your judgement that the seller overvalues it, the price will soon come down. If it doesn't, it's because you're wrong.

There is no justification for behaving like these people are behaving. None. Defending it is, in my opinion, mealy mouthed. All kinds of weird moral relativism and strawman nonsense is invoked, it is nothing but self-justification.

Sony may well be considered heavy-handed for their treatment of people that infringe their copyright. But they are within their legal rights to defend what they have produced. If they are sensible, they will consider any reputational damage they are incurring for 'going after the little guy' against whatever gain they hope to make - these are important tradeoffs for them.

But painting Sony as some kind of nefarious Evil Corporation is just sub-par cliched dogmatic bullshit.

Posted:3 years ago

#22
I find it VERY hard to believe the group would be going after any children.

Posted:3 years ago

#23

Greg Wilcox
Creator, Destroy All Fanboys!

2,150 1,063 0.5
@Richard: When you get on someone's list like that, those 24 to 48 hours will be the longest ones of your life, especially if your private information is in the hands of those who'd abuse it just as a "prank". No one "needs" to go through this crap, period.

As for the sheer stupidity of complaining about map pack prices as a partial rationale for this nonsense - as posted by others (duh) don't buy them, dammit. Hell, if you whine THAT much about a stupid shooter and have money woes... just ask you mom and dad for an allowance increase.

Or if you're somehow a working stiff with a low-paying gig and the childish attitude that throwing a digital tantrum gets you what you want all the time, just save up your pennies and wait for the Inevitable Game of the Year Edition that has the damn game and all that other dlc packed on the disc for half the price of the original release.

This isn't even about that petty BS, though...

Posted:3 years ago

#24

Klaus Preisinger
Freelance Writing

1,070 1,000 0.9
Ultimately the big question is, whether or not the owner of a piece of hardware is in charge of deciding which programs run on the hardware, or not.

Compare to a home PC, the decisive technological innovation of consoles was always the hardware manufacturer remaining in control after selling the hardware, thereby creating a market in which developers have to pay for the privilege of releasing games on the hardware.

What Anonymous wants is nothing less than the dismantlement of the technology which Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and Apple base all or parts of their business model on. If the consumer decides which program runs on the hardware, then there is no reason to have a console.

It is one nail in the coffin more for hardware ownership. If there will really be a legislative shift to allow owners of hardware to do anything, then the big console manufacturers will simply stop selling their consoles. Instead, they will merely rent them out. That is how PayTV providers reacted.

Posted:3 years ago

#25

Till Dzierzon
Localization QA Tester

17 0 0.0
Wow. Somebody posted anonymously on the internets, that "they" are going after " the children".

I mean. It's on the internets and it's against the poor children. This must be true!
Oh c'mon...you can't be reporting seriously on an obvious fake like that :(

Posted:3 years ago

#26

Michael Bennett
Senior Designer

39 12 0.3
In terms of the actual legal case, I oppose Sony because of both the legal precedent their victory would establish (mostly for this reason in fact) and their heavy handed pursuit of 1 person who did little more than create a popular diy video. That said, if what is written here is true, these idiot hackers in "sonyrecon" are not only hurting hard working Sony employees and their families; they're going to severely diminish any public support that may exist for geohot. If it is true. After the story of the flight to south America I'm hesitant to believe anything I hear about this case. In any case, by bundling the news of the Anonymous and the sonyrecon groups together with the wording as it is, this site is taking advantage of human judgement biases to do with object grouping and thr presentation of information. The two groups may as well be one. Is this clever manipulation of the press by Sony or is gameindustry.biz taking a stance on the issue?

Posted:3 years ago

#27
I really don't care what the outcome of this is but I do think Sony is a dirty company for my own personal reasons. You don't advertise a feature and then take it away screwing the people who bought your product because it had that feature. It was probably stupid to put it there in the first place but you must live with your consequences and work around the sutuation not remove it. Sony brought this upon themselves so it's their problem.

Posted:3 years ago

#28

Hasan Dervish
Consultant

7 0 0.0
Sony have made quite a few blunders in its time, taking linux from the PS3, not allowing people to mess with a machine they have legitimately purchased. And that's coming from a PS3 fan.
In an era where individuals have the means of creating media and apps, make movies and ebooks, pimp our cars and build our own computers, why the heck can't we do what we want with the consoles we buy without penalty or restriction?
Which is why, though I agree with some the arguments made by Anonymous, they are shooting themselves in the foot by actions that affect innocent gamers.

The Cloud Connection

Posted:3 years ago

#29

Michael Vandendriessche
Studying Computer Science

84 10 0.1
This is ridiculous...
Oh well, at least Sony has something fun to keep itself busy with.
I hope it won't affect playstation consumers too much.

@Nick Mcrea: "I continue to scratch my head and wonder every single day at the sense of entitlement some people have. Idiots. "
& @ Rick

I completely agree

Posted:3 years ago

#30
@Alan Pierce

On PSN you can donate money towards the red cross, they disrupted our ability to conveniently donate to Japan relief through the PS Store.

they have officially blocked the capability of PSN members donating to the tsunami relief fund. It was just announced by VG247.com that Sony has managed to help raise 1.3 million dollars so far.

So yeh... :)

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Joffrie Diependaele on 5th April 2011 4:06pm

Posted:3 years ago

#31

Jim Webb
Executive Editor/Community Director

2,242 2,206 1.0
Joffie, if they could donate via PSN they can donate via the Red Cross web site itself...and countless other charity organizations web sites. But his point was that it's hypocritical to knock this group for attacking Sony while the tsunami disaster is still recent while giving Sony a free pass to continue legal matters against Hotz and others while the tsunami disaster is still recent.

Posted:3 years ago

#32

John Donnelly
Quality Assurance

313 38 0.1
Charles & Hasan.

Sony own the command and control software for the PS3.
You own the hardware but without the software its just a paperweight.
It also clear in the license agreement of the software that Sony can add to and remove from the software.
Its all well and good when you get new features everyone is happy.

I am not saying they are right or wrong here but they notified people in advance, if you want Linux dont update the firmware, if you want games do.
Also guess who was responsible for them removing it?
Yep good old Geohot his messing with the system was the reason the feature was removed not some malace from Sony in the first place.
True they probally discovered the gaping hole in the security of the system at that point and given the nature of the hole they really did not have much choice in the matter.
They had a duty to protect the system given the fact it would allow anyone to resign any code and destroy the market.

Its easy to look in and say 'Sony ****ed up and brought this on themselves' but try looking out and seeing things from their perspective before saying they brought this on them themselves.

Posted:3 years ago

#33

Chris Nash
QA Engineer

47 23 0.5
John Donnelly - ok, fine, Sony owns the software, but you own the hardware. So you can just put your own software onto your PS3 and it'll be fine, right? Er... no, say Sony, we're removing Linux support. Never mind that the Linux support you had was crippled so you couldn't access most of the PS3's high-end hardware anyway, we're taking it all away. You can't run your own software on a machine that you own. And THAT is why people are upset.

Now, you might counter with "But Microsoft and Nintendo don't allow you to run your own software on their systems, and nobody complains!" - well, that's because both companies made it clear from the start that their platform was closed and they wouldn't countenance any other OS running on it. But Sony spread its arms wide and said, on the launch of the PS3, "You can install Linux on our new console if you want, and run whatever code you want via that!" And so the hackers were placated. They weren't as interested in getting unsigned code to run on the PS3's native OS, because Sony had given them a concession. Then they removed it... and that's when it all kicked off.

Posted:3 years ago

#34

John Donnelly
Quality Assurance

313 38 0.1
Chris, if you can a way to bypass the Sony firmware you can put anything on the system.
Other OS was useful as it allowed people to do cell development without needing to buy a very expensive cell workstation which was more useful than any highend RSX access.

As I said they gave people a choise, you can choose to keep Other OS or you can play games.

Its not a perfect solution but as I also stated what choice did they have?
The system was at risk from a total compromise if they did nothing it would have been insane so it was always going to be a rock and hard place solution. They where dammed if they did and dammed if they did not.

And no, removal of the other OS is not what kicked it off, it was Geohot who kicked the whole thing off.
Yes efforts where underway to gain RSX access but it did not impact on the abality to run unsigned code outside of the linux euvironment.

This is the point people appear to be missing, as long as the code ran in the sandbox Sony was cool with it.
The second it risked the primary security of the system it was impossible not to ask as the hold was huge and almost impossible to fix.
That is the kicker here. Had that hole not been pressent they might have been able to leave the other OS feature, but as it was a straight attack vector and one that would sooner rather than later expose the flaw in the signing system.

Right or wrong, what was the lesser or 2 evils?
Piss off a few linux users or piss off every developer and publisher who make games for the PS3?
As a business what would you do if you had to make the call?

Anyway none of this matters as nothing is justificationn for the actions of these script kiddies and their treats to familes of Sony employees.
There is a line that should not be crossed but these idiots thing they can do anythign they like and dont expect to ever have to face the conquences, just like their hero who as I said before is as much to blame as the Sony engineer who made the cripto mistake.

Posted:3 years ago

#35

Kristoffer Sandberg
Studying Computer Games Development

5 0 0.0
"even attempting to obtain the details of Howard Stringer's children in order to pursue nuisance campaigns against them. "

Sounds more like hacking their Facebook accounts than actually hurting them, from the looks if it some people here think they are going to find them in school and beat them up.. I really doubt they would be doing them any real harm.

Posted:3 years ago

#36

Andrew McFain
Journalist

12 0 0.0
Seems like you folks are not familiar with Anonymous, at all. Anonymous will do whatever they feel like doing to take out the problem they have by whatever means necessary.
And as for those who think Anonymous is youth-driven unity of pimply wannabe hackers, Anonymous is anyone. It's not just 4chan /b/tards screwing around; it's people who know what they're doing, as well. Anonymous can be a child, a businessman, or even a retired veteran. All it takes is a bit of knowledge.

Posted:3 years ago

#37

Tom Keresztes
Programmer

633 239 0.4
Anonymous might be just be a hacker group, but their actions and perceived success could result in more vigilante actions. Even the fictional serial killer Dexter inspired copycats.

Posted:3 years ago

#38

Andrew Jakobs
Lead Programmer

227 88 0.4
@John donnelly: you call that a choice? no matter what 'choice' you make, you loose an important function you payed for.. If I would have known Sony would someday remove OtherOS I would never have bought the PS3 in the first place, it was OtherOS that made me by the PS3 instead of a regular blurayplayer and a xbox360..
Now I'm crippled by Sony, because I cannot play newer games, and I don't know which games won't run as the package doesn't say it requires a specific firmware, also I have to be on my toes now if some other person in my household or friend accidently update to a newer firmware, as there is no way going back, AND you can't get to your data on the OtherOS partition anymore, so you loose all those data..
Since I can't go online using PSN anyway with OFW3.15 there is actually no reason for me NOT to load a CFW, becaus then I can at least play all my games and use my move (which I got as a present)..

But Anonymous doesn't have anything to do with the PS3 'hacking' scene or Geohot/Graf, they are just a bunch of Aholes who thrive on the publicity they generate with their action..
And that other group should really be caught, because that's just really criminal...

Posted:3 years ago

#39

Michael Hendricks II
Public Relations

2 0 0.0
Messing with children is not acceptable, and the people behind that should be stopped and prosecuted. Young minds are very easily damaged by fear, especially fear of unfamiliar adults.
However, that's an offshoot of the majority of anonymous. Blaming anonymous as a whole for that is like saying that if your brothers' friends steal candy then your brother must be a criminal.

As for DDOS attacks, I wouldn't wish that upon anybody, but at the same time, what other form of protest does the internet age have? Not everyone who opposes what Sony is doing is within picketing distance of their HQ, and this interruption of their service is a form of protest that actually hurts the company they're rallying against.

Sony released a product, advertising other OS as a selling point, and made a very large sum of money off of people for that point. Then they removed the feature. While the argument can be made that your PS3 isn't useless because you can pick one thing or the other (other OS or current games), it's besides the point. The product was purchased as a package deal, a huge part of the PS3's appeal was that "it only does everything".
It's like if you went out and spent $600 on a Droid or iPhone, and a year down the line, you had to make the choice of "well, you can use this as a PDA with games on it, or you can use it as a phone. not both anymore."
That would cause a huge upset to the people who own the product, and it's essentially what Sony has done. If Sony wants to remove the monetary value of their products from a large number of customers who already paid for them, customers are going to get back at them in some way.
Looks like they've found their way.

Posted:3 years ago

#40

gi biz
;,pgc.eu

341 51 0.1
I agree with you Jimmy W.
Everyone here seems to only see the story from only one point of view, but didn't Sony go past the line when they identified the real name behind Geohot and started a real life action? To me they just did the same, and they started it.

This whole story was started from Sony removing a feature they sold, this should be kept in mind. The PS3 is not just a toy as the SNes was, it's a powerful tool that's used in many environments: SETI@home and many similar projects earned a great benefit from computations on PS3 machines, and many other companies bought PS3s only to use them as calculation nodes.
The story of removing the other OS feature as a pre-emptive move to block piracy might be true as much as false. They might have realized that they were entering dangerous grounds made of antitrust and hidden conflicts. I personally have nothing to do with Sony, and I love many products they did in the past, but I have zero sympathy for them in this story.

Posted:3 years ago

#41

Andrew Goodchild
Studying development

1,234 394 0.3
"but didn't Sony go past the line when they identified the real name behind Geohot and started a real life action? To me they just did the same, and they started it."
No, even if you decide that big decision makers committed a wrong against Geohotz, it's not the same, they went after him, not his family.

Posted:3 years ago

#42

Chris Tux
Consultant

17 0 0.0
I'd wait for the story to unfold before jumping to too many conclusions. Just because you heard it on the internet, doesn't make it true. Going after Sony's employees children is disgusting...but it's also an unconfirmed rumor that could have been spread by anyone.

Until anything real and verifiable is done, don't be so quick to pass judgement.

Posted:3 years ago

#43

Declan Shine

2 0 0.0
Unfortuantly hackers seem to be a powerful force in this industry and i dont think they are going to back down so quickly... if what they say is true and they are going after their children then they need to wake up and see they are no longer going after a company but are in the same boat as Ian Huntley... saying that i really dont think the hackers would go that far....

Posted:3 years ago

#44

John Donnelly
Quality Assurance

313 38 0.1
Andrew, yes its a choice.
Is it a choice many users want to make?
No its not.

I am not going to argue right or wrong but there are base facts that everyone needs to stop and look at.
I sumed it before saying that you might own the physical unit but Sony owns the software to make it work, they also tell you they may at at time add or remove features.
Everyone loves new features, but no one likes to see them removed.

I am not the biggest fan of Sony. I never owned a PS2 because when it launched I was so underwealmed by the system it put me off.
I also have had to deal with Sony in my time in the industry and some days they where very difficult and inflexable resulting in me losing nights and weekends and changing plans to get titles out the door.
So why am I in effect defending them?
Because I think people are not being objective enough when debating the points.

We all have out opinions, some are for sony and the legal action, some against.
Some are pissing at the removal of a feature which was important to them, but was used by a tiny percentage of users, others done care and others again just wanted the system to be compromised so they can download anything and everything and never pay a penny for anything ever again.

Its not about the lawsuit, its not about the removal of Other OS its purly about IP theft and getting somthng for nothing.

Posted:3 years ago

#45

Lee Hansiel Lim
Game Developer - Unity3D

25 2 0.1
This is absurd (if proven true). Why would anyone go as far as to make it look like they were gonna threaten children over some removed code and a machine?

There are far less illegal and inhumane ways to try to tackle such a situation. Regarding the whole Geohotz/Sony fiasco..

Well if I was any hacker, I'd happily be doing my thing and keeping it to myself (unless it is perfectly legal to share whatever to whoever).

.. and if I was Sony, I'd have tried to find a way to use the OtherOS feature to my advantage, not completely remove it after hyping it up and making it one of the reasons a lot of 'knowledgeable' people bought my device for.

Posted:3 years ago

#46

Andrew Ihegbu
Studying Bsc Commercial Music

439 146 0.3
Sony promised a service to homebrew users and never delivered it. Bad move, as homebrew users are probably the most knowledgeable on the net. So one of them sets about adding the feature himself and like all people wants the world to see his noble goal. His name is GeoHot he's currently in jail somewhere, and the rest of his web family are going on a rampage.

I don't fault SonyRecon for going after employees and their kids. Do you really think that complaining down Sony Americas
s customer services would make a difference? The only way to change the outlook of a company is to convince the top level people within it that what they did is wrong. When your daughter asks you one night why you locked up the Guy that made games for a hobby, then you'll realize that you were wrong in the first place and that the homebrew community is can not be messed around like the average consumer.



The pessimistic will say I am comparing genocide with software 'crime's. I am not,the.penalty for both is death. Life in jail is the same thing to me.

Edited 1 times. Last edit by Andrew Ihegbu on 6th April 2011 2:00pm

Posted:3 years ago

#47

Andrew Goodchild
Studying development

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@Andrew Ihegbu

Firstly, Sony did deliver the promised homebrew solution, the other OS on the original fat PS3s. The took it off the slims, but this was documented. In an update they removed it from the fats, and this was probably wrong, but they did this BECAUSE of Geohotz hacking, and the USB jailbreak he released, rather than as you suggest, him starting hacking the console due to them not delivering.

Secondly, if Sony are suing Geohotz, then that is a CIVIL case, not a criminal one, so there is no danger of him going to jail for life, if he loses it will be a financial matter of damages, not a criminal sentance.

Posted:3 years ago

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John Donnelly
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Andrew Ihegbu, Geoholt is not in jail, he is on 'vacation in south America'

Andrew Goodchild, did the jailbreak come from a unrelated group who gained access to a Sony service jig?
Geohot sat on his knowledge until the jailbreak when public then set about picking up where he left off he was not alone though, I cant remember their name but was another group who published the gigantic flaw in the RAS encryption system.

Posted:3 years ago

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Andrew Goodchild
Studying development

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@John. I terms of the current security problem, another group, (fail0verflow I think?)actually broke security first, told the world how they went about doing it but didn't release the key or any cracks. GeoHot used this to replicate what they did, and released a crack. However, to do this it is said they used the USB that GeoHots released last year, which could jailbreak PS3s until an update introduced a safelist of usb devices a short time later. So whilst he wasn't the first to fully crack the security wide open, his initial crack on a USB stick was what caused Sony to take action, and also was instrumental in fail0verflows work I believe.

Posted:3 years ago

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John Donnelly
Quality Assurance

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Ah.. I though another group was involved in releasing the USB based boot devices based on stolen/leaked service jig.

I never really followed the PS3 stuff too closely so I was not sure of the order of things.
I know Geohot was tinkering with the system made claims to have cracked it but did not release it, then other OS was removed, the jail break was announced and the devices came out, then failoverflow announced the existance of the cripto fail.

Posted:3 years ago

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